AA Wholly Owned Upgrade/Flow

tcco94 said:
All valid points but in your opinion...do you think if someone wants to go to Delta the best regional they could go to is Endeavor?

That's an honest question...no sarcasm.
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I hear that Endeavor isn't a good place to go, if you want to get on with Delta. Because the popular thought/speculation is that if they hire too much from their regional feed, to mainline. Then their cheap feed greatly suffers. So the though is that it's actually harder to get to Delta from Endeavor as a result. And easier to get to Delta as a OTS hire.
 
flybywp said:
My employer offers a program where I can interview and commit to an airline while still instructing and in return receive tuition reimbursement in the form of additional hourly pay. I've been giving a lot of serious consideration to all three AA wholly owned regionals, but specifically Envoy and Piedmont. Just had Piedmont recruiters come to our office the other day and was surprised to hear about the difference in upgrade times and flow between the two.

Piedmont is quoting immediate upgrade upon reaching 1000 121 hours. Envoy is quoting 2.5 years. Both quote about a 5-6 year flow.

Any current Envoy or Piedmont pilots who can shed some light on the actual upgrade and flow times? I'm really more focused on the upgrade times as the flow is not the key factor for my decision.
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From an inside source at PDT, the upgrade time is accurate as well as the flow. The bigger the group gets then the flow number picks up, but don't rely on the flow, it's more a back pocket deal like others said. Also, I would too wait as 10 months is a long time from now believe it or not. I've seen the contract and benefits change twice in a span of 6 months and that could change your airline preference. PDT is a great place to work out of the 3 WO but I would wait to make your decision. This industry is changing daily.
 
Maximillian_Jenius said:
I hear that Endeavor isn't a good place to go, if you want to get on with Delta. Because the popular thought/speculation is that if they hire too much from their regional feed, to mainline. Then their cheap feed greatly suffers. So the though is that it's actually harder to get to Delta from Endeavor as a result. And easier to get to Delta as a OTS hire.
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Yeah that's my thought. I've always thought you'd have just as good as a shot if you were a FO at Skywest vs Endeavor. Besides the American dedicating itself to hiring within WO, I feel like I don't see it much else with United or Delta (though I could be wrong). I know United has some new details with ExpressJet on some new flow program...not entirely sure about what it entails. Are my percentages of getting on with United severely disadvantaged being at SkyWest over ExpressJet...even though they're owned by the same company?
 
Flying Eagle 12 said:
From an inside source at PDT, the upgrade time is accurate as well as the flow. The bigger the group gets then the flow number picks up, but don't rely on the flow, it's more a back pocket deal like others said. Also, I would too wait as 10 months is a long time from now believe it or not. I've seen the contract and benefits change twice in a span of 6 months and that could change your airline preference. PDT is a great place to work out of the 3 WO but I would wait to make your decision. This industry is changing daily.
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Hopefully PDT gets their new rates out there like PSA and ENY have. If they want to keep new hires coming, they're going to have increase that pay.
 
chrisreedrules said:
Nothing you said here addressed my reply to you above. And why couldn't any of this be done from one of the AAG WOs?
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Pure miss understanding, i was responding to post before your post. I did not see your post until after writing my response.

I agree with just about all you've stated.
 
tcco94 said:
Pretty small flow but my company just connected with a regional to create a new domestic program.. We just got bought out and they're attempting to do a zero to hero program with an airline involved and looking to expand nationwide(pretty much ATP style)....so we'll see how it works but I won't be around here when it happens. We are about 90% foreign as well.

They definitely are favoring American students though. Getting new glass cockpit airplanes this month...only American students can fly them. American students have #1 priority on checkrides and aircraft availability so I'll get bumped every day of the week if there is only 1 airplane left etc.
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Hard to believe Doddard and crew paying to outfit a PA with glass. A whole fleet huh? Lol nice. Would be nice if they pull it off. Lots of restrictions i'm sure. Will have to overcome overheating the system during summer months (except early mornings), it still gets hot at night. I remember 109dgr F at 10pm. Lol holds over CGZ in the stacks @ 4500.. Yuck!
 
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tcco94 said:
Yeah that's my thought. I've always thought you'd have just as good as a shot if you were a FO at Skywest vs Endeavor. Besides the American dedicating itself to hiring within WO, I feel like I don't see it much else with United or Delta (though I could be wrong). I know United has some new details with ExpressJet on some new flow program...not entirely sure about what it entails. Are my percentages of getting on with United severely disadvantaged being at SkyWest over ExpressJet...even though they're owned by the same company?
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Eh... I'd argue that you'd probably be MORE marketable to an airline, if you're at a third party regional. And not at a WO, or an airline that has preferential interviews.

Reason: long before XJT had a CPP it was always an unofficial avenue for UA. SkyWest also sends up big numbers to UA. But now that XJT has their preferential interview, what with all it's strings. They'll probably end up sending less annually, than they did before with the CPP. All these CPP's, DGI's and flows come with strict conditions/strings. I.E. dangling carrot, that you have to meet in order to be eligible. And these strings greatly favor the airline, in terms of indentured servitude. So that they're not robbing Peter to pay Paul so to speak. I keep hearing that you will make it to airline X, faster as an OTS, than with a CPP, DGI or a true flow.

I dunno if that's true, but that's what I keep reading both here and at other places.
 
Maximillian_Jenius said:
Eh... I'd argue that you'd probably be MORE marketable to an airline, if you're at a third party regional. And not at a WO, or an airline that has preferential interviews.

Reason: long before XJT had a CPP it was always an unofficial avenue for UA. SkyWest also sends up big numbers to UA. But now that XJT has their preferential interview, what with all it's strings. They'll probably end up sending less annually, than they did before with the CPP. All these CPP's, DGI's and flows come with strict conditions/strings. I.E. dangling carrot, that you have to meet in order to be eligible. And these strings greatly favor the airline, in terms of indentured servitude. So that they're not robbing Peter to pay Paul so to speak. I keep hearing that you will make it to airline X, faster as an OTS, than with a CPP, DGI or a true flow.

I dunno if that's true, but that's what I keep reading both here and at other places.
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It's all speculation, timing, and luck. Unless it's a true flow, not just a guarantee of an interview, it's not worth the paper the agreement is printed on. Before the interview agreement came for XJT (only the legacy side), they were already hiring at about 35%. So it's fluff.
 
Next 6 months to 1 yr will be very interesting for some and rocky for others. I don't wish bad on anyone, but I really do wonder which FFD will feel the greatest impact of the recent WO (ENY, PSA), RAH, 9E, SKW attractions and pay increases.

DL & UA have already said they will take back more flying and reign-in on capacity growth vs expanding it. Plus that they will unload /use less 50 seaters. This essentially means DL & UA plans are to take back flying to mainline.

Anyone have ideas which are most likely to be effected? DL is growing 9E Crj200 in NY. UAL is transfering Emb145 to C5.

Current announcemnts to investors and Earning report discussions from UAL & DL mgmt dont seem to coincided with these actions
 
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Can somebody set the record straight for me: Is American Airlines AAG or AAL or AMR?

I thought Alaska was AAG?
 
RamRise said:
Can somebody set the record straight for me: Is American Airlines AAG or AAL or AMR?

I thought Alaska was AAG?
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American Airlines Group is the parent company.

AAL is the NASDAQ symbol as well as the ICAO identifier for the airline.

AMR was AMR Corporation, the parent company of American Airlines that merged with US Airways Group to form American Airlines Group (AAG).

Clear as mud?
 
alaskadrifter said:
Isn't AAG Alaska Air Group?
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AAG isn't exclusive to the Alaska Air Group...

nor is it exclusive to the American Airlines Group...

or the American Association of Geographers...

However, the American Advisors Group does officially use the AAG designation.

So honestly, every time we shorten either Alaska Air Group or American Airlines Group to AAG, aren't we really talking about a company that does reverse mortgages?

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