A strange one. PC12 crash

Wardogg

Wardogg

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N357HE PC12 NG fell out of the sky from 26,000 feet.

Reports are a call came in they were “losing control.”

Accident Pilatus PC-12/47E N357HE, Friday 26 July 2024

A Pilatus PC-12/47E, N357HE, was destroyed when it crashed north of Gillette, Wyoming. The pilot and six passengers perished in the accident. Unconfirmed reports suggest the aircraft was...
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N357HE Flugtracking und Flugverlaufsdaten 26.07.2024 (KAFK-KBIL) - FlightAware

Track N357HE flight from Nebraska City Muni to Billings Logan Intl
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PC-12 Crash Claims Members Of Prominent Gospel Singing Group - AVweb

Pilot reported autopilot failure and loss of control before PC-12 fatal crash.
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The vertical speed measurements off flight aware and the flight path are interesting to say the least
 
Wardogg said:
ADSB exchange has it at 30,000 fpm at the end.
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And it shifts back and forth with climbs over 4000fpm and then the crazy descents. I was thinking got caught up in a thunderstorm but the radar loops I looked at appeared to have nothing in the area
 
Wardogg said:
The last? I don’t remember one straight and level falling out of the sky. I thought the last one was the one off the coast of NC lost in the clouds.
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It wasn't the last one, but there was one in Florida a few years back that resembles this one. Guy lost control of perfectly good airplane at cruising altitude after the AP disconnected and overspeeded the airplane until it disintegrated in mid air.

The wings folded upward and the tip of one of them ended up breaking one of the fuselage windows. The passenger sitting at the window, the guy's son, was sucked out and ended up being found a mile away from where the rest of the fuselage impacted. Real nightmare fuel.

www.aopa.org

NTSB: Inexperience a factor in 2012 crash

Unfamiliarity with a newly purchased turboprop proved fatal for a Kansas family returning from a Bahamas vacation in 2012, the NTSB determined.
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FlyingAccountant said:
It wasn't the last one, but there was one in Florida a few years back that resembles this one. Guy lost control of perfectly good airplane at cruising altitude after the AP disconnected and overspeeded the airplane until it disintegrated in mid air.

The wings folded upward and the tip of one of them ended up breaking one of the fuselage windows. The passenger sitting at the window, the guy's son, was sucked out and ended up being found a mile away from where the rest of the fuselage impacted. Real nightmare fuel.

www.aopa.org

NTSB: Inexperience a factor in 2012 crash

Unfamiliarity with a newly purchased turboprop proved fatal for a Kansas family returning from a Bahamas vacation in 2012, the NTSB determined.
www.aopa.org
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I flew that aircraft before it was sold. Really nice airplane.

This is the accident I was referring to:

www.marinij.com

Pilot to blame for crash

WASHINGTON — The National Transportation Safety Board announced late Tuesday that a plane carrying four members of a Durham family to a ski resort in Montana crashed because the pilot ignored…
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Seems like there are a lot of these kinds of accidents with PC-12s. They all have the same cause. Disregard for basic safety procedures.

The aircraft is amazing and would be my choice if I had baller status money.

Here’s more operator error PC-12 crashes:

www.nbcnews.com

Pilot didn’t clear ice before 2019 crash that killed 9 members of an Idaho family, NTSB says

The plane didn’t have enough seats for all the passengers aboard, and two people were likely seated in the aisles when it crashed, the National Transportation Safety Board said.
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More of the same crash because the details are wild:

www.nytimes.com

Safety Lapses Cited in South Dakota Plane Crash That Killed 9 (Published 2022)

Newly released documents about the 2019 crash revealed that the pilot failed to completely remove ice from the wings before takeoff, and that the plane was overloaded with passengers.
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Accident Pilatus PC-12/45 N451ES, Saturday 14 September 2002

The turbo-prop airplane departed controlled flight after initiating an ATC directed turn during cruise climb. The airplane subsequently entered a rapidly descending spiral turn, impactin...
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Accident Pilatus PC-12/47 N768H, Saturday 24 June 2006

The private pilot receiving instruction and his flight instructor departed on runway 06 with a headwind of 17 knots gusting to 23 knots. Witnesses said that the pilot had transmitted on ...
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The list goes on but the PC-12 is a great aircraft and I’ve seen enough of these to already be sure of the current PC-12 mess cause. We’ll just have to wait on the details.

It’s sad we have to keep revisiting this cause and the lack of hubris of non professional PC-12 operators. With the current crash people are so emotional about it you’ll be banned or shouted down for saying it. I’ve already seen a social media post where someone claimed they went to church with the pilot and he was a really good pilot.

My theory is that he wasn’t a really good pilot. But only time will tell.

Pay for a charter or take the airlines. Don’t take a ride from the “really good pilot” in your church.
 
99% sure this is him. Cross checked with the address business records. Not surprising…


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milleR said:
Probably not a perfect fix, but I would be all in favor of an MU-2 style SFAR (now 91 subpart N) for all normal category turbine powered airplanes.
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Yeah, or at least a type rating. Some more meat on the bones of the high altitude and high performance endorsements might help too.
 
invadertim said:
Yeah, or at least a type rating. Some more meat on the bones of the high altitude and high performance endorsements might help too.
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Subpart N is basically a type rating with all the same recurrent requirements. The only difference is it doesn’t go on your certificate, you just have to carry the card with your pilot cert. They could basically copy and paste the language substituting “MU-2” with “turbine powered” and have a FAA mandated training requirement.
 
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milleR said:
Ok, maybe an exception for the fixed gear high wing unpressurized turbine suburban lol
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When I flew the Snowcone aka 208 you had to do a special "icing seminar" once a year. So there was at least some professional development and mentorship.
 
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