A pilot has been indicted for allegedly threatening to shoot the captain if the flight was diverted

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In another century when high schools still offered drivers' ed classes, it was drilled into my simple mind, "Keep right except to pass." It was wild for the first couple times on I95, with an instructor flying right west, so to speak, to be reminded of that time-and-time again and to learn what the left lane represented.

And that was NOT to use it while driving 15 mph below the posted speed limit.

I agree whole heartedly. Which is why it is so irritating to me when someone gets over, then speeds up. I'M trying to get out of the left lane for folks behind ME, but they are unconsciously making it very difficult. Just trying to do my part to help traffic flow in an orderly manner.

On the note of drivers ed, and I guess just foundational lessons in driving, I remember driving with a good buddy of mine sometime in college. We came to a yield sign with nobody coming in the oncoming direction, so while I looked, I did not stop. He was like "dude aren't you supposed to treat yield signs like stop signs?" I don't know if I said this, but I wanted to scream "YOU ARE THE REASON PEOPLE REAR END OTHER PEOPLE!!!!! GET OUT!!!!"

 

[trafficinsight]

I think it entirely possible that drivers everywhere are equally bad and everyone just thinks the drivers where they are are so much worse than the drivers where they were.

Example: Because I learned to drive in Los Angeles I think the drivers in the bay area are awful

 

[Boris Badenov]

I think it entirely possible that drivers everywhere are equally bad and everyone just thinks the drivers where they are are so much worse than the drivers where they were.

Example: Because I learned to drive in Los Angeles I think the drivers in the bay area are awful

I think this is wisdom, but A) We're having fun. and B) *SOMEONE* is right about this. Like, it's statistically improbable that drivers aren't actually significantly worse *somewhere*, for all sorts of reasons.

 

[knot4u]

I think it entirely possible that drivers everywhere are equally bad and everyone just thinks the drivers where they are are so much worse than the drivers where they were.

Example: Because I learned to drive in Los Angeles I think the drivers in the bay area are awful

Am I mistaken, are LA drivers better than average? I have no reason to think otherwise but maybe it's just my normal.

 

[trafficinsight]

Am I mistaken, are LA drivers better than average? I have no reason to think otherwise but maybe it's just my normal.

They know how to go places even in heavier than normal traffic, and because I learned to drive there it feels totally normal to me.

Up here the number of times I've been stuck in traffic because of what eventually turns out to be absolutely nothing is non zero even on a weekly basis.

That said up here the freeways have personalities. 101 is chaos. 280 is laid back. People on 85 think that's the minimum speed and not the highway number. 880 is pretty LA like. On 87 people left their house with no particular idea where they were going in the first place and no clue how to get there and they drive accordingly. 580 is where the east bay commuters are, they get down to business. 680 is wall to wall road rage and poor life choices.

 

[Bob Ridpath]

I agree whole heartedly. Which is why it is so irritating to me when someone gets over, then speeds up. I'M trying to get out of the left lane for folks behind ME, but they are unconsciously making it very difficult. Just trying to do my part to help traffic flow in an orderly manner.

On the note of drivers ed, and I guess just foundational lessons in driving, I remember driving with a good buddy of mine sometime in college. We came to a yield sign with nobody coming in the oncoming direction, so while I looked, I did not stop. He was like "dude aren't you supposed to treat yield signs like stop signs?" I don't know if I said this, but I wanted to scream "YOU ARE THE REASON PEOPLE REAR END OTHER PEOPLE!!!!! GET OUT!!!!"

Used to have a roughly 30 mile commute back in the days I worked. It was generally all either rural roads, relatively straight, or the Taconic Parkway and Interstate 84 for the majority of the ride, just a couple miles at restricted speed with a few traffic lights. I could make decent time on the worst of days usually.

My best ride ever started as I got onto I84E from the TSP South and merged onto 84 as a 3K NYS Trooper (Hawthorne Barracks in Westchester County) passed me by.

It was a beautiful ride, him flying in the left lane and people in front pulling over and me matching his speed about 150 feet behind. It was like following a snow plow on a road badly in need of plowing and glorious. Trooper clearly didn't care what was following him as he hurried to the office, and I was certainly careful not to crowd him so he might divert his attention to me.

Several times o'er the years that I got to drive in a hurricane or blizzard when the highways were technically closed but my ID got me through as an essential worker. I'm confident driving at high speed with a good vehicle, but that morning was the best I've ever done in terms of time and speed, and following that Trooper - neither of us were going slow in the left lane.

 

[Roger Roger]

I think this is wisdom, but A) We're having fun. and B) *SOMEONE* is right about this. Like, it's statistically improbable that drivers aren't actually significantly worse *somewhere*, for all sorts of reasons.

Like I said above, a few different objective statistics always seem to land on the same set of mostly rural states of a certain, uh, sociopolitical persuasion not any of the urban hellscapes that usually get finger pointed.

 

[trafficinsight]

I think this is wisdom, but A) We're having fun. and B) *SOMEONE* is right about this. Like, it's statistically improbable that drivers aren't actually significantly worse *somewhere*, for all sorts of reasons.

It's that they're worse in ways that you notice.

For instance I don't care what anyone says but in California it's 100% normal to ride in the left lane, we don't give a crap if it's improper and no amount of whining is going to change that.

 

[Skåning]

Like I said above, a few different objective statistics always seem to land on the same set of mostly rural states of a certain, uh, sociopolitical persuasion not any of the urban hellscapes that usually get finger pointed.

Oh the SEA and PDX urban hell scapes have atrocious drivers, that’s why the PNW blanket statement. Did the drive up the 5 a lot last year to SEA too. The truck drivers are just as bad too. Let’s spend 5 miles passing another big rig and then 5 more getting over. Come on!

I’m from LA (and moved to the PNW) and at least in SoCal they know the left lane is to go fast. Up here they get on the freeway and immediately zip to the left lane for some weird reason, then all tailgate.

 

[Roger Roger]

Oh the SEA and PDX urban hell scapes have atrocious drivers, that’s why the PNW blanket statement. Did the drive up the 5 a lot last year to SEA too. The truck drivers are just as bad too. Let’s spend 5 miles passing another big rig and then 5 more getting over. Come on!

I’m from LA and at least in SoCal they know the left lane is to go fast. Up here they get in the freeway and immediately zip to the left lane for some weird reason, then all tailgate.

Right, but that’s not what I’m talking about.

 

[knot4u]

They know how to go places even in heavier than normal traffic, and because I learned to drive there it feels totally normal to me.

Up here the number of times I've been stuck in traffic because of what eventually turns out to be absolutely nothing is non zero even on a weekly basis.

That said up here the freeways have personalities. 101 is chaos. 280 is laid back. People on 85 think that's the minimum speed and not the highway number. 880 is pretty LA like. On 87 people left their house with no particular idea where they were going in the first place and no clue how to get there and they drive accordingly. 580 is where the east bay commuters are, they get down to business. 680 is wall to wall road rage and poor life choices.

It's weird. People driving around without any real understanding or regard at speeds that will end them. I might be aware, but trying to educate some people falls on deaf ears. I grew up riding dirt bikes, "drifting" was the slow way to get around a corner. We just turned and left the flowery dude in the dust. All bike and no brains was easy to spot. I was lucky, my dad loved and cared about me, some folks parents just threw money at their kids and hoped for the best.

 

[trafficinsight]

It's weird. People driving around without any real understanding or regard at speeds that will end them. I might be aware, but trying to educate some people falls on deaf ears. I grew up riding dirt bikes, "drifting" was the slow way to get around a corner. We just turned and left the flowery dude in the dust. All bike and no brains was easy to spot. I was lucky, my dad loved and cared about me, some folks parents just threw money at their kids and hoped for the best.

We rode 4 stroke, you had to have technique because power wasn't gonna save you.

 

[knot4u]

We rode 4 stroke, you had to have technique because power wasn't gonna save you.

That seems odd to me. It seems diametrically opposed in my dumb head. Please expound on how your technique saved you? I know you won't, two strokes are the best strokes and if you don't like it perhaps you can find your own strokes. Different strokes for different folks.

 

[trafficinsight]

That seems odd to me. It seems diametrically opposed in my dumb head. Please expound on how your technique saved you? I know you won't, two strokes are the best strokes and if you don't like it perhaps you can find your own strokes. Different strokes for different folks.

In those days 4 stroke was anemic. Not so today.


For example: You had to know how to manage energy and traction and balance up that hill because in a lot of cases there was nothing left by the top.

I rode this:

... all over the desert southwest. There were a lot of hills I wouldn't even try. But there was nowhere I couldn't go.

 

[knot4u]

In those days 4 stroke was anemic. Not so today.


For example: You had to know how to manage energy and traction and balance up that hill because in a lot of cases there was nothing left by the top.

I rode this:View attachment 74779

... all over the desert southwest. There were a lot of hills I wouldn't even try. But there was nowhere I couldn't go.

I know how to ride that. It took a minute back in the day after growing up riding dirt bikes and getting sucked under one of the tires before I got it, you put your weight on the outside peg going around turns and leaned into it. Nope. I prefer two wheels. Not saying it's wrong but they always seemed like a bubble gum version of what we were doing. My experience is not typical, I was riding a 430XC Husqvarna when I was 14. I love that sound, here's an example...

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD7uap8trCg

 

[trafficinsight]

I know how to ride that. It took a minute back in the day after growing up riding dirt bikes and getting sucked under one of the tires before I got it, you put your weight on the outside peg going around turns and leaned into it. Nope. I prefer two wheels. Not saying it's wrong but they always seemed like a bubble gum version of what we were doing. My experience is not typical, I was riding a 430XC Husqvarna when I was 14. I love that sound, here's an example...

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD7uap8trCg

Meh, dirt bikes are built to go fast and tear • up.

I prefer to see things.

It wasn't uncommon for us to cover 100 to 120 miles in a day of riding.

 

[NovemberEcho]

Like I said above, a few different objective statistics always seem to land on the same set of mostly rural states of a certain, uh, sociopolitical persuasion not any of the urban hellscapes that usually get finger pointed.

of course urban roads won’t be as deadly. Hard to have a fatal car accident in bumper to bumper traffic moving at 10mph. Hell it’s 930pm on a Sunday night and there’s a 54 minute traffic jam just to get into NYC. Not to mention how much closer to first responders and ambulances you are than in the boonies. Plenty of deaths in rural areas that wouldn’t happen in an urban area simply because of response time.

 

[knot4u]

Meh, dirt bikes are built to go fast and tear • up.

I prefer to see things.

It wasn't uncommon for us to cover 100 to 120 miles in a day of riding.

My dad bought that Husky from a guy who'd done the Baja 1000 on it twice, legend is he did it the second time with his wife on the back. I don't know if that's true, but that bike was anything you wanted it to be as long as you respected it. It wasn't hard to start but you had to put some ass into it. Once you got it running and figured it out it was just lights out. All the torque and all the speed. It must be like riding a race horse. If I could have two things back it'd probably be that bike and my '84 Toyota, they made a wonderful combo. Such is life. What do you do?

 

[trafficinsight]

My dad bought that Husky from a guy who'd done the Baja 1000 on it twice, legend is he did it the second time with his wife on the back. I don't know if that's true, but that bike was anything you wanted it to be as long as you respected it. It wasn't hard to start but you had to put some ass into it. Once you got it running and figured it out it was just lights out. All the torque and all the speed. It must be like riding a race horse. If I could have two things back it'd probably be that bike and my '84 Toyota, they made a wonderful combo. Such is life. What do you do?

One of my dads friends used to do that stuff.

Guy had a storage shed full of trophies taller than you are. I rode up jawbone hill with him in a buggy once, never. Again.

 

[knot4u]

One of my dads friends used to do that stuff.

Guy had a storage shed full of trophies taller than you are. I rode up jawbone hill with him in a buggy once, never. Again.

I'm not tall. 72". Is that tall? I'm not wide, 34" waist. Jawbone Canyon? Is this some Iron Eagle nonsense?