A/C down at KSDL

T/O w/FSII said:
Imagine taking a Model T ford and crashing in into a wall at 60mph. Let me know how that works because they have about the same in common when it comes to crash worthiness.

Really? It’s a tin can dude. Not a new Volvo.
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Really. It surprised me. Sorry?
 
MikeD said:
That cockpit lost alot of occupiable space as it crumpled inward during the impact. It’s already a very small cockpit without any major space between the structure and the pilots.
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Thank you for a mature and informative response.
 
T/O w/FSII said:
Imagine taking a Model T ford and crashing in into a wall at 60mph. Let me know how that works because they have about the same in common when it comes to crash worthiness.

Really? It’s a tin can dude. Not a new Volvo.
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I always thought the Volvo P1800 was a snazzy automobile in both the coupe, as well as the wagon. The wagon is more handy though for running to the store and such.
 
arkavgal said:
I wonder why the pilots didn't cut the engines when they departed the runway.
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They would most likely have been too startled and more importantly too busy trying to maintain directional control to run any kind of shutdown checklist.

Plus killing the engines would not help. The thrust levers would be at idle on touchdown and the engines would not be producing must thrust. Killing the engines, however, would have interrupted or eliminated power to almost every major system on the aircraft and doing so would potentially lead to greater damage as the plane would be even further out of control.
 
Karnage said:
They would most likely have been too startled and more importantly too busy trying to maintain directional control to run any kind of shutdown checklist.

Plus killing the engines would not help. The thrust levers would be at idle on touchdown and the engines would not be producing must thrust. Killing the engines, however, would have interrupted or eliminated power to almost every major system on the aircraft and doing so would potentially lead to greater damage as the plane would be even further out of control.
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That makes sense. Thanks.
 
But not to sidetrack too much - it does raise an interesting point - obviously some wrecks are just not survivable - but what ARE some of the more survivable airplanes? Mooney's have that steel tube cage around the cabin which seemed stout. Most of the airplanes I like have 4130 steel tube structures for the most part - always seemed like if you could keep your face from hitting the instrument panel at high speeds you'd be okay (assume no spin-in, etc). What are some survivable airplanes, or relatively better (if any)?
 
Pilot Fighter said:
It’s complicated as the decline can be steep. At 76, my father was flying a few types commercially and was as good as anybody I’ve seen. At 78, we had to take his keys and sell his car. At 80, he was dead.
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That first fall or spill is usually the harbinger. My old man (may he RIP) was hale and hearty at 78. Two years later he took a spill, and it wasn't long after that the sleigh ride down hill began.
 
WacoFan said:
But not to sidetrack too much - it does raise an interesting point - obviously some wrecks are just not survivable - but what ARE some of the more survivable airplanes? Mooney's have that steel tube cage around the cabin which seemed stout. Most of the airplanes I like have 4130 steel tube structures for the most part - always seemed like if you could keep your face from hitting the instrument panel at high speeds you'd be okay (assume no spin-in, etc). What are some survivable airplanes, or relatively better (if any)?
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Cropdusters. Moreso than regular pax planes.
 
Richman said:
That first fall or spill is usually the harbinger. My old man (may he RIP) was hale and hearty at 78. Two years later he took a spill, and it wasn't long after that the sleigh ride down hill began.
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At that age, a broken hip or pelvis can start the clock.

My father had a rapid dementia. Thankfully, he was somewhat self-aware and just couldn’t make sense of his cognitive decline. He maintained his mobility and sense of humor until his final weeks. He thought it was sadly humorous that he couldn’t remember anything.

I’m an atheist. I used to have well-developed, albeit lengthy, arguments against belief in one or more gods. My arguments has evolved into one sentence.

A loving and omnipotent god would not allow people to outlive their dogs or let aging folks suffer with dementia.
 
Pilot Fighter said:
Damn, wasn’t expecting that. Was curious about previous damage but the limp dangling gear is a shocking sight.
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If memory serves correctly (it's been a while since I've worked on a Lear) the switch that illuminates the gear unsafe light is up in the trunnion area and its main job is to let you know the gear is either up or in a position that doesn't agree with the LG handle. Once the MLG actuator reaches full extension and is locked it'll show three green. Imagine selecting gear down and everything seems fine and then all heck breaks loose once you get to the runway. The gear isn't just going to fall off, the hydraulic hoses and wiring for the anti-skid as well as the squat switch are surprisingly resilient and now everyone on board is along for the ride. I am disappointed that one of the passengers decided their dogs were more important than their friend when evacuating next to a running engine but I was not there and my opinion should be considered as invalid.
 
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