757 A/T failure

Maurus said:
To me, based on the duty pilot's tone, it sounded more like the guy had no idea how a pilot could become fatigued in the air. A vast majority of fatigue calls occur on the ground. As a result he was probably thinking about 20 steps down the road about how that could be a legal problem for them. The reality is that the crew was flying a delayed red-eye and had a take-off with a high workload event involved.
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I don’t think he was confused how he got fatigued in the air, he was confused as to why a crew is ringing him up while flying an airplane that they’re fatigued lol. There’s nothing the duty pilot can even do that point because your flight is still in progress. And the captain clearly got led there by the awkward back and forth with the dispatcher essentially saying “looks good on my end, you can press on”. Easy to Monday morning QB it. He did the right thing giving ATL Radio a call and I think the call just didn’t really prove to be helpful. At all.
 
Idk how you come to this forum daily to get dogged on CC. Even Todd gave up after he made his rebirth.
 
tcco94 said:
Idk how you come to this forum daily to get dogged on CC. Even Todd gave up after he made his rebirth.
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tcco94 said:
It might be too late to ask but what the • is a speed run
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It's a term for people who play games with the intent of getting through them as fast as possible, often by using secrets, exploits, and unconventional inputs that allow them to bypass as much as they can.

For speedrunners, the game is the run, if that males sense.
 
Found it interesting he said they were late out of JFK…so cross country DH to operate a redeye back to JFK? Operating the turn wouldn’t be legal IAW 117.11 as that’s probably about 10 hours block roundtrip but would probably be a 12 hour duty day depending on when they reported.


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azmedic said:
Found it interesting he said they were late out of JFK…so cross country DH to operate a redeye back to JFK? Operating the turn wouldn’t be legal IAW 117.11 as that’s probably about 10 hours block roundtrip but would probably be a 12 hour duty day depending on when they reported.


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Probably built with a 12 hour day layover then operate later that night. That’s how these are usually built and end up going out to a poor reserve. Easy fatigue call for me.
 
DE727UPS said:
But can you do an autoland? Not CATII or CAT III. A CAT 1 where the mins (Rwy 19 into RFD back then, 1800 RVR) require an autoland or HGS.
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Hey, Don..

And that why I added the caveat in my post:

“about the only call would’ve been to dispatch with a conversation about whether or not we can legally land at the destination without auto throttles due to autoland capabilities etc…”

I can’t quite remember all the legalities and criteria for auto throttle requirements since I’m now 3 yrs removed from needing to know that info anymore. Most of my brain power nowadays is used up trying to improve my golf game.
 
Did this dude seriously ask to be on a collision course with Mt Diablo (well over 3000ft) to work out an issue (aka dig for a plausible reason to return)???? That's a scary lack of SA...at any level.
 
🦈💜 said:
It's a term for people who play games with the intent of getting through them as fast as possible, often by using secrets, exploits, and unconventional inputs that allow them to bypass as much as they can.

For speedrunners, the game is the run, if that males sense.
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Ah. I never put the video game reference together. Duh! Thanks!
 
derg said:
I have thoughts, questions and concerns but since it’s in my own backyard, you’ll have to wait for Zoom or some sort of offline happy hour.
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I'm also in this place, especially since SFO-JFK (red eye, and not red-eye) is one of my "bread and butters".
 
ChasenSFO said:
Did this dude seriously ask to be on a collision course with Mt Diablo (well over 3000ft) to work out an issue (aka dig for a plausible reason to return)???? That's a scary lack of SA...at any level.
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Yup. The first point I brought up. Your motors are running fine and you aren’t smoke/fire. And when he called, they were already handflying through 1,500 ft. Why would you ask for a level off at 2,000 or 3,000? Especially when dealing with what you think is a control issue with AP off, away off, and TAT messages.
 
derg said:
I have thoughts, questions and concerns but since it’s in my own backyard, you’ll have to wait for Zoom or some sort of offline happy hour.
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In the wise words of an LCP I worked with: "One person craps their pants, we all get to wear diapers."

Standing by for the latest diaper memo.
 
ChasenSFO said:
Did this dude seriously ask to be on a collision course with Mt Diablo (well over 3000ft) to work out an issue (aka dig for a plausible reason to return)???? That's a scary lack of SA...at any level.
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I’m guessing NYC-based. Maybe not familiar. Not much of an excuse, but it was my thought…
 
Zero command in that voice. He knew in his mind he wanted to return to SFO. But now he wants dispatch or flight ops to give him the okay that he is mentally looking for.



“We’re trying to get the duty pilot on the line, he’s on another call.”



The only legit answer to that is, “don’t worry about it. I’ll call him on the ground. We are returning to San Fran. Please re-dispatch, notify ops for gate, and give me 28L/R landing numbers. Via ACARS. Thanks again, bye!”
 
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