250 knots below 10,000

[Beep]

Even a heavier MD-90 has a clean speed above 250.

When SLC changed the departure procedure speed restrictions because the CRJ's loved to fly below 250 in initial, it was havoc. Nothing like an extended climb burning gas with the slats out because they didn't sequence departure traffic appropriately (IMHO).

#Air Line problems.

 

[Roger Roger]

Roger, pay attention! You missed the exit for Joke City! Now you've got to double-back!

I missed the exit because I was looking for Pokemon.

 

[Flyboy57]

Has anyone heard of anyone being caught (even by ATC) and if so, how much was their pee-pee slapped?

I asked a friend who's a TRACON controller if they monitored 250 kt busts and he laughed, saying "We don't care. If we need a speed we assign it. Otherwise, we don't care." He added that the only pilot bust he's ever heard of was with a Fed in the jumpseat.

 

[derg]

I missed the exit because I was looking for Pokemon.

You were flipping Pogs. Fess up.

 

[TrustMeI'maPilot]

Also once asked for and received permission for >250 below 10k so we could pass a slow spirit Airbus and not have to slow to 200.

Be careful with that, ATC has no legal authority to waive the 250kt limit. Feds can still bust you even with approval of ATC.

 

[RDoug]

Be careful with that, ATC has no legal authority to waive the 250kt limit. Feds can still bust you even with approval of ATC.

What he said. The 7110.65 specifically says ATC cannot do so.

 

[Ajax]

What he said. The 7110.65 specifically says ATC cannot do so.

For those interested, I was:

3−1−11. SURFACE AREA RESTRICTIONS a. If traffic conditions permit, approve a pilot’s request to cross Class C or Class D surface areas or exceed the Class C or Class D airspace speed limit. Do not, however, approve a speed in excess of 250 knots (288 mph) unless the pilot informs you a higher minimum speed is required. NOTE− 14 CFR Section 91.117 permits speeds in excess of 250 knots (288 mph) when so required or recommended in the airplane flight manual or required by normal military operating procedures. REFERENCE− FAAO JO 7110.65, Para 2−1−16, Surface Areas.

-www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Order/ATC.pdf

 

[FM_Weasel]

Yeah, air traffic can't waive requirements of the FARs. Even if you bust a regulation because ATC told you to, you could still be held accountable. See also: VFR flying an ATC assigned vector into Bravo airspace without receiving a Bravo clearance.

It's a crummy situation, sure. But rules are rules. You probably won't get caught.

 

[boondr]

I get asked a lot by the foreign air carrier heavies for "high speed climb", standard response is "Speed your discretion."

IE: didn't say you could, don't care if you do.

 

[RRPower]

Without knowing anything about this situation, remember that in Canada you can also exceed 250 below 10 if you're on your way to an altitude above 10.

They did away with that circa 2008/2009. We got a memo from our company back then.

 

[bucksmith]

Ummm...The family truckster is cool. Nobody will say that about a mini van.

But they weren't cool back then, hence the excellent analogy. Don't know if I can get a dodge caravan to last long enough to become cool.

 

[killbilly]

But they weren't cool back then, hence the excellent analogy. Don't know if I can get a dodge caravan to last long enough to become cool.

Depends on whether or not you get the late 1980s fake wood grain.

 

[Beep]

Depends on whether or not you get the late 1980s fake wood grain.

None of these will ever top the 1968 country squire!

 

[jtrain609]

Depends on whether or not you get the late 1980s fake wood grain.

That's not fake, that's classy. Classy is never fake, even when it's fake.

 

[NovemberEcho]

http://www.cheatsheet.com/automobiles/pimped-out-minivans-6-vans-youll-wish-you-had.html/?a=viewall

 

[KLB]

http://www.cheatsheet.com/automobiles/pimped-out-minivans-6-vans-youll-wish-you-had.html/?a=viewall

@Seggy,

Number 5 on the list would be a totally respectable option. I advise you get that one!