Is a roll that big of a deal?

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I was under the impression that military can do whatever they want, FAA rules don't apply to them. I know that when I was at SLC in a small plane there were some F-22's that were taking off out of SLC. The ATC asked them if they were going to stay within the regulated speed and the pilot responded he wouldn't go more than 100 over it. I was told that the ATC can't tell the military what they can and can't do. However, if the pilots get a major report from an ATC sent to their CO, they could be in trouble. Is that correct or am I wrong?

Oldtown, for what it's worth, my husband has always been told that for the Cessna's he isn't allowed to go over a 35 degree bank other than in the check ride because that is considered aerobatic, so he has been taught in UT about the same as what you teach in ME.
 
91.307(c) has the more than 60 degrees of bank and 30 degrees of pitch for having to wear parachutes.

I am under the impression that 91.307(c) does not define hard numbers for aerobatic flight, else it would have been defined that way in 91.303.
 
I got in a little trouble because I would always demonstrate spins for my PPL students. But then when I explained that I disconnected all the gyros before the flight he wasn't that upset. He just didnt want the gyros to have unnecessary wear from exceeding their limitations.
 
Ah, that is the word, pitch not bank. Pitch is the front and back and bank is side to side correct? He told me it was likt 30-35 pitch...my noobness is showing through, sorry.
 
I don't know if I'm belaboring the obvious here, but stall speed increases as load factor increases (as the square root of the load factor in fact). An airplane that may stall clean at say, 60 knots indicated, would stall at 84 knots in a 60 degree bank turn where load factor is doubled.

That's one reason why steep turns (or exceeding 30-35 degrees) in the pattern is generally discouraged.
 
teetee said:
Ah, that is the word, pitch not bank. Pitch is the front and back and bank is side to side correct? He told me it was likt 30-35 pitch...my noobness is showing through, sorry.
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Acrobatic flight is defined by FAR 91.303 as "For the purposes of this section, aerobatic flight means an intentional maneuver involving an abrupt change in an aircraft's attitude, an abnormal attitude, or abnormal acceleration, not necessary for normal flight."
 
I stayed out of this thread for a while because I thought it was stupid...but I have to say something.

I don't even know how many student pilot's and private pilots we have on this forum. For you to put up posts like this up I find it very irresponsible. I am looking at this thread and thinking to myself what if a new member joined today he has 5 hours in airplanes and he reads a thread like this or your pot smoking thread.

You can die or even worse someone else can if you do this stuff on non-acro airplanes. The regs prohibit it, placards do, poh....etc.

Stop being so idiotic with your posts...and will a mod plz lock this thread.
 
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I am looking at this thread and thinking to myself what if a new member joined today he has 5 hours in airplanes and he reads a thread like this or your pot smoking thread.
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And I or we would somehow be liable for his/her actions?

Sir, that is idiotic.
 
Holocene said:
And I or we would somehow be liable for his/her actions?

Sir, that is idiotic.
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No sir, what is idiotic is that two things that are blatantly illegal would be argued on a website meant to inform pilots at all skill levels. You are not responsible for others actions however wouldn't you feel the least bit sad if on the news tomorrow a private pilot had a inflight breakup with two fatalities. It may not be your fault at all but what if it is. As a pilot not only do your skills develop but your judgement does also with time. A private pilot should know what is right or wrong but how many times have you said man I shouldn't have done that...that was a learning experience and I will not do it again.

The purpose of this site is to spread knowledge to pilot's at all skill levels not stupidity or bad judgement.

That is why I call your post idiotic sir and if I was in charge you wouldn't be posting on this site for a while.
 
jhugz -- this is a logical fallacy. Why don't we ban all books which contain knowledge that may be dangerous in the hands of those who don't fully understand it? I mean, surely someone writing a chemistry textbook is responsible for any young person blowing himself up by dangerously mixing chemicals he read about in the book, right?

Come on, that is insane. This is the United States!
 
Aerobatic stunts have no place in a club plane that is not certified & maintained for aerobatic flight.

If one wants to do that kind of stuff in their own plane, so be it. Good luck to you and I hope you don't kill yourself. But please don't do it in a plane someone else is going to fly later.....
 
Ok lets not get into the free-speech thing on the internet...

Mod's delete and edit posts all the time and this is a perfect time to do it.

I don't know about you but this is not what I want to see after logging in to jetcareers:

general topics - how to roll an rj
member announcements - I just pulled 6G's in a 172 and survived
Ask a Flight Surgeon - How much coke is to much...

etc etc etc.... I can keep going if you want.
 
jhugz said:
Ok lets not get into the free-speech thing on the internet...

Mod's delete and edit posts all the time and this is a perfect time to do it.

I don't know about you but this is not what I want to see after logging in to jetcareers:

general topics - how to roll an rj
member announcements - I just pulled 6G's in a 172 and survived
Ask a Flight Surgeon - How much coke is to much...

etc etc etc.... I can keep going if you want.
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?

What's here to edit/delete?
 
Hacker15e said:
I bring a T-6, T-38 or an F-15 up initial for the overhead pattern, and I lay on an 80-degree turn right over the numbers at 1,000'A....and that's not illegal.
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The overhead is defined as a non-acrobatic maneuver. For TACAIR, it is a routine maneuver, necessary for normal flight. If you try the same maneuver without an airfield below you, then it would be acrobatic.
 
Holocene said:
There's nothing wrong with a discussion.

Fact is, it's pretty well established that cannabis consumption induces no greater percievable physiological effects than does alcohol consumption. Yet, so long as the plant is illegal, people will often mistakenly assume its consumption to be exteremely hazardous, and indicative of "reckless behavior".

As for why you cannot consume the substance as a pilot, that is simply because it is illegal...even though there is a wealth of evidence to suggest that it's effects are no more worse than alcohol; a legal substance.

Of course it's common sense that illegal activities are not conducive to obtaining or holding a career as a professional pilot, but simply discussing some of these issues is, in my opinion, not intrinsically wrong.
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Whoa... And THIS is why certain things (such as drugs) are illegal - people will do what they believe is "legal" as opposed to safe or prudent. Wow.
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