Trip7
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Re: "Regional Airline Pilots: Welcome To The Rest Of Your Ca
Kids, don't do crack.....j/k
You and Charlie's thought process are highly flawed IMO.
86 seats are only at Airways. CAL's scope is still at 50 seats and I doubt it'll be changing anytime soon.
I don't get your REAL union point so you'll have to elaborate on that.
Last time we stuck it to management? Ah, the Summer of Love. Didn't turn out so well later but at least we can say we "stuck it to em!"
Management won? To me we were backing them into a dark alleyway last year when they started offering signing bonuses (PCL, MESA, Republic), free RJ courses (Eagle) until Congress came in and saved them (age 65)
This industry is cyclical. We are headed down right now now but it will pick back up. No need for the doom and gloom, the world is over posts. I heard this same forum doom and gloom happened after 9-11 for a couple years.
I'm telling you, in a couple years it'll be back to the ATP vs FBO and Low Timers at the regionals threads we had during the past hiring spree.
I look at things this way:
15 years ago folks said, "Jets at the regionals? Whatever, no big deal! We don't want those 50 seat jets!"
Then a few years later those mainline guys said, "Uhh...well, things are going down the crapper, if we let them fly 70 seaters, we can keep our retirement!"
Then we get 70 seaters at the regionals.
Then a few years later those mainline guys said, "Oh man, we're in REALLY bad shape, if we let them fly 86 seaters, we can keep our retirement!"
Then we get 86 seaters at the regionals.
It's only a matter of time guys. The formula works, it reduces the overall cost to the mainline companies and they will do what they have to do to force our hand with this. The mainline companies will have more bankruptcies of convenience and more contracts will get gutted.
It's a driving principal of capitalism guys, any cost that CAN go down WILL go down one way or another. We can't stop it, we're not strong enough to, and history tells us that we've never been strong enough to. I think that we're deluding ourselves by saying otherwise, when to me the facts are incredibly clear.
There's a trend here, and a couple of cats from the internet ain't gonna stop it. The only thing that will stop it is a REAL union, which none of us have. We're divided, and we'll fall just like we have every other time.
I mean seriously, when was the last time a pilot group REALLY stuck it to management and was successful in the end? American's contract is gone, and so is United. Management won guys, and Charlie is right; this is our career now.
Kids, don't do crack.....j/k
You and Charlie's thought process are highly flawed IMO.
86 seats are only at Airways. CAL's scope is still at 50 seats and I doubt it'll be changing anytime soon.
I don't get your REAL union point so you'll have to elaborate on that.
Last time we stuck it to management? Ah, the Summer of Love. Didn't turn out so well later but at least we can say we "stuck it to em!"
Management won? To me we were backing them into a dark alleyway last year when they started offering signing bonuses (PCL, MESA, Republic), free RJ courses (Eagle) until Congress came in and saved them (age 65)
This industry is cyclical. We are headed down right now now but it will pick back up. No need for the doom and gloom, the world is over posts. I heard this same forum doom and gloom happened after 9-11 for a couple years.
I'm telling you, in a couple years it'll be back to the ATP vs FBO and Low Timers at the regionals threads we had during the past hiring spree.