fletchersteel
Well-Known Member
Well said man.
Agreed
Well said man.
:banghead:
"Is there any other program that will get your from Private Pilot to CMEL, Instrument, CFI,II,MEI in 90 days? No, not that I know of."
No, and that's a good thing....
Going through all those ratings that fast is a bad idea. You get all these "licenses to learn" all at once without taking the time to do the "learn" part in between. And then you go out and teach the next poor newb...
What do you call the minimum 85 hours required before you can start, +25 PIC XC hours.
No just your righteous attitude since you started sitting in the right sit of a CRJ.Not feeling the laughs today huh?
Seems to be a bug going around this place.
The inability to laugh. No cure as of yet.
85 hours...Big freaking deal. I call that about any 3 weeks of log book time over any of the past couple months.
85 hours +25 PIC XC hours....laughable.
What do you call the minimum 85 hours required before you can start, +25 PIC XC hours. What do you call the time building phase between Instrument and Commercial? Your welcome to your oppinion but im sorry its flat out wrong.
ATP students build the same experiance that anyone else builds at an FBO, they just fly more often which is why it gets done quicker. The only part where experiance may be lacking is when your at CFI school.
Well to be quite honest I call the PIC time in which Private students log in actual while having a CFI in the right seat ILLEGAL. However ATP is known for distorting the regulations and getting DPE's to buy it. If they dont the DPE's no longer are allowed to do checkrides for atp.
Also I would say coming from someone who has family in the BUISNESS. You should know that Don who works for UPS is speaking from his personal experience. I guarnatee it that he knows a heck of a lot more about the real world then you and I do combine. In addition he knows though experience why he has his feelings the way he does. In addition as he already said and it cant be worded any more correct you are getting liscense to learn. How much are you learning when your liscense all come in 90 days. Its a valid point.
Also one last thing how much time of that is SOLO? How many students actually fly their cross countries with a HOOD on? How much of that time should we take away due to it not actually being safety pilot time when the hood isnt being worn? We can continue on if you would like. Basically in the end I'm saying that yes things are working out so far for you at ATP. And that's great. However there are some people on here who know quite a bit themselves and Don being one. I'd really take a few minutes to put some thought into what he has to say. Its got some validity to it.
I did, and I understand sort of where he is coming from. Look at it from this angle.
2 Commercial pilots each having 350 hours.
Pilot A- Spent 5 years at an FBO getting to his multi commercial and 350 hours, he only flew once or twice a week, sometimes he only flew a couple times a month.
Pilot B - Went to ATP, spent around 90 days...
Both pilots have the same amount of experiance, but according to Don... Pilot A is somehow more experianced than Pilot B simply because he went to an FBO and spent years getting his license... That does not and will not make sense to me. Sure ATP costs more but that is a choice, the training is no differant.
The training is different, that's the whole point. ATP's training SUCKS. They train you for the test, and only for the test, they know exactly what you'll be tested on, and that's what you are taught. There is very little real-world experience, no creative thinking, not much thinking at all infact.
Were I in charge of hiring, I would hire the 350 hour guy with 25 multi-engine hours who puttered around the countryside by himself doing cross-countries to build his time over the 350 hour ATP grad who has 300 multi-engine hours.
Multi-engine time is a box to tick, that's all it is. It's not hard to fly a twin, no different than flying a complex single, until an engine packs it in, and anyone with real multi-engine time will have very little spent on one engine.
The training is different, that's the whole point. ATP's training SUCKS. They train you for the test, and only for the test, they know exactly what you'll be tested on, and that's what you are taught. There is very little real-world experience, no creative thinking, not much thinking at all infact.
Were I in charge of hiring, I would hire the 350 hour guy with 25 multi-engine hours who puttered around the countryside by himself doing cross-countries to build his time over the 350 hour ATP grad who has 300 multi-engine hours.
Multi-engine time is a box to tick, that's all it is. It's not hard to fly a twin, no different than flying a complex single, until an engine packs it in, and anyone with real multi-engine time will have very little spent on one engine.
What do you call the minimum 85 hours required before you can start, +25 PIC XC hours.
Good thing your not in charge of hiring
Seriously though.. both pilots from both schools have the same experience... For me... I remember more of my ATP experience just because that's all I ever did... my FBO private is almost totally faded away..
Just like learning a language.. I remember way more words when going to Mexico for a week vs taking a year of it at school.. that's just my style of learning.. some people like Don (UPS) may be different