Firebird2XC
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I don't wanna put words in your mouth, so I'll just ask.. College taught you how to think? Say what?
Don't need a degree eh?
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I don't wanna put words in your mouth, so I'll just ask.. College taught you how to think? Say what?
Unequivocally yes. Absolutely. And I know who they are too!
Mostly lurk without saying a peep
Dugie8
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I think he is talking about critical thinking. Critical thinking is more "skill" than ability. Most professors, the ones who are nutballs, encourage students to think outside the box, ie on a Geometry test where the question is "Name this side of a triangle" and I name it Bob, you get credit for critical thinking :crazy:
MFT1Air
Mfalme Soleimani
Learn where you're happiest learning so that way you'll get it done.
If I'm ever on a hiring board, I'm going to get my kicks from asking, "So, how was Utah? You, uhh, didn't actually go to school in Utah? But your, OOOOOOH! One of them!"
Get your kicks, huh? That's cool. I'm also assuming how one earned their degree isn't a significant factor, right? Seems to me one is smart to earn it online from a school in Utah than to live in the snow and ice and learn only how to try and stay warm.
Firebird2XC
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Unequivocally yes. Absolutely. And I know who they are too!
Mostly lurk without saying a peep
Great. Now time on JC is a perpetual interview. Swell.
Qgar
New Member
Unequivocally yes. Absolutely. And I know who they are too!
Mostly lurk without saying a peep
Uh-oh
I hope your members take note of that! Think there's some "recruiting" or "no way in hell" stuff going on behind the scenes? 
I'm having a re-evaluation of my views on this. I still think it's largely a piece of paper, but I did sit across from the manager of pilot selection with a resume of an applicant that was below competitive minimums PIC-wise, but came from a prestigious non-aviation university and he was invited to an interview.
It was "...light on turbine PIC, we usually like to see at least XXXX... Oh a _______ graduate? Great GPA, did lots of extracurricular activities, wow, let me flag him for further evaluation".
Those aren't my words as I'm a "just check the box" type of guy, but in this situation his education helped greatly.
Firebird2XC
Well-Known Member
Okay, that's funny, true, but that's also providing credit for nonsensical behavior when the correct answer should be 'hypotenuse'.
If I'm shelling out top dollar for an education, I don't want some professor to show me how to think like a nonconventional maniac. I've mastered that all on my own. College is claiming credit for adding things to people's minds when they're just taking credit for life experience, which is accrued incidentally and not by their plan.
Qgar
New Member
I doubt you have anything to worry about. It's not like you use your full name on here anyway!
Uh-oh
You know, they'd never tell me. I don't ask! Don't want to know!
I like a low drama existence.Firebird2XC
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Point taken. A board evaluates the 'whole individual' and it's the sum total of your application that counts, not every single category.
Thanks for the heads up. BTW, I'm almost sure I know who you're talking about. When we will learn the ID of this potential new Southernjetter?
Firebird2XC
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I doubt you have anything to worry about. It's not like you use your full name on here anyway!
Eh. People know people, ya know?
I doubt you have anything to worry about. It's not like you use your full name on here anyway!
I wouldn't worry about it. People that are prone to lurk on JC, compared to other sites, know that we like to have fun and blow off some steam from time to time.
Some sites are the "Skull and Bones" club, others are "The Fight Club", I like to keep it like a friendly neighborhood bar 'n grill like Cheers.
Considering where most new hires are going, perhaps a camera phone photo taken someplace in Europe! You'll have to wait.
Dugie8
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A lot of things in life are "fixed" as in constant. 1 + 1 is always going to be 2, at least on the cestial plane of existance. Being able to think, as cliche and over used as it is, outside of the box is what gets you through life. Realizing that the world is not black and white and that the right answer is usually not easily solved by finding X for X+1 = 2 is really what college is about, even if not by design.
I mean really think about it, most of us can go to school on a new airplane for what, maybe 3 weeks and know that airplane inside and out, is it really that far of a stretch to see how long and drawn out college really is, for no real reason? Take all of the fluff out of college and how long do you really think it would take a normal person to learn the paticulars for whatever their degree is in, a lot shorter than 4 or 5 years for sure. It does take a bit of time to shift the way you think and approach the world though.
Again, no one is really arguing the validity of the college degree requirement, that being said, the requirement is there if you want to be hired by a legacy carrier so either play the game or shut up. Going through life with a chip on your shoulder because your paticular choices in life don't/didn't line up with some Legacy's hiring practices is a foolish, IMO. All that being said (again) I think the degree requirement is nothing more than lazy HR's way of weeding out applicants and making the resume stack smaller.
I mean really think about it, most of us can go to school on a new airplane for what, maybe 3 weeks and know that airplane inside and out, is it really that far of a stretch to see how long and drawn out college really is, for no real reason? Take all of the fluff out of college and how long do you really think it would take a normal person to learn the paticulars for whatever their degree is in, a lot shorter than 4 or 5 years for sure. It does take a bit of time to shift the way you think and approach the world though.
Again, no one is really arguing the validity of the college degree requirement, that being said, the requirement is there if you want to be hired by a legacy carrier so either play the game or shut up. Going through life with a chip on your shoulder because your paticular choices in life don't/didn't line up with some Legacy's hiring practices is a foolish, IMO. All that being said (again) I think the degree requirement is nothing more than lazy HR's way of weeding out applicants and making the resume stack smaller.
Velocipede
New Member
Not necessarily.
Delta - didn't have 20/20 vision.
American - had been rejected there previously due to low fixed wing time.
United - over-qualified (if you can believe that one!)
USAir - never responded
SWA - no 737 type rating
NWA - froze hiring 3 days prior to my interview
FedEx - not hiring
UPS - the next interview after I got hired where I am.
Nice try, though.
Firebird2XC
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Considering where most new hires are going, perhaps a camera phone photo taken someplace in Europe! You'll have to wait.
No worries. I'm just curious if I'm right. I'm rootin' for 'em.
Firebird2XC
Well-Known Member
I'm sure the poor guy is nervous enough as it is, without the added pressure of everyone here knowing about it! Let him study, get through the interview, and he can tell us himself when he's ready
He knows we're all behind him 100%!
Very true. 's exciting to see one of the JC bunch move up in the world, ya know?
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
Dugie got it right, but I didn't take Geometry in college and if you named a side of your triangle Bob in a philosophy course you'd probably get laughed out of class by the professor.
Philosophy uses ######## topics to develop critical thinking skills. Like phenomenology; that's the concept that if you are not there to witness something, it doesn't exist. So if the tree falls in the woods and there is nobody still there to hear it, does it still make a sound? Of course not, the tree isn't even there because if somebody isn't there to witness it into existence, then it doesn't exist. Also, if I were talking to you, and turned around you wouldn't be there anymore. 'Cause I mean let's be honest, if I can't SEE you how do I know that you're there? Now with that in mind, prove it wrong without stating (in the voice of the jerky boys), "Hey there guy, are you retarded or something? The tree's there whether I can see it or not!" It's a lot harder than you might think and this broadens your critical thinking skills.
BS right? Yes and no (I think largely yes), but forcing yourself to wrap your head around these concepts (even when you think they're bogus, which I think many of them are bogus. It's why I spent most my time studying political philosophy I think) forces you to adapt to a new paradigm you didn't think existed before. This changes your critical thinking skills greatly because instead of saying, "We can't lose that bus, it's impossible, I just passed my type ride in this aircraft and THIS CAN'T BE HAPPENING" you're forced to look at it and say, "Well, it shouldn't have happened, but it DID happen, so let's figure out a solution to the problem instead of just saying it isn't possible."
I'm not doing my area of study justice, but I'm also kind of preoccupied with trying to restring my guitar.