Seggy
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You're right, it's not normal, but it still falls in to the "stupid renter pilot" category. I wouldn't get upset with sdvc...whatever his name is...for abusing the engine, I'd explain to him what's going on and train him how to manage the engine in a better way. It's a mistake made out of ignorance, not recklessness. Just like how some pilots are hard on the gear or brakes, this instance was hard on the engine.
Ahh, but he could have prevented being hard on the engine if he was flying within limits. Also, a good instructor will teach you NOT to wear the brakes out. No need for them really. I could live with a bald spotted tire or worn breaks, but not a cracked cylindar because someone wanted to go flying at 18,000 feet.
I don't know enough about the engine manufacturing specs to comment one way or the other on high altitude performance. I know that the Piper Twin Commanche and Piper Seminole engines are certified to somewhere in the neighborhood of FL180-FL200 though, and I don't think those engines are significantly different than a 172's. They're all small, normally aspirated Lycomings.
Neither do I, but just because the engine is certified for that altitude are other components of the airplane certified for that altitude?
Passenger carrying Part 121 ops are a completely different animal than Part 61/91 flight training ops.
There are all kinds of limitations set in the 121 world that are highly conservative. Nothing wrong with that...in fact, as a passenger, I'm quite thankful for it.
But it's not a fair anology to compare "risk management" at an airline to "risk management" as a private pilot. There are totally different risks and rewards involved, and the threshold for acceptable risks and rewards is different.
121 regs are highly conservative? No not really. 121 regs are written in blood. Someone screws up THEN the FAA goes out and changes a rule. We have to police ourselves sometimes. I called fatigue after a 14 hour duty day. Legally, I could have gone to 16, according to these 'conservative, rigid, 121 regs' you talk about, but I was dead tired and couldn't see straight much less fly straight.
The risks and rewards are the same my friend. To get the plane and people in the plane back on the ground safely.
Ehhh...sort of. I think the accident rate among general aviation is higher mainly because of the vast diversity of the operations, coupled with a lack of hard standards, such as the 4000 foot minimum runway length Seggy mentioned. If every private pilot had a set of op specs dictating his every move, general aviation would probably be ten times safer. However, it would also be ten times less flexible, which really is a critical factor when it comes to the utility of general aviation. If it's not flexible, it's not much better than airline service.
Why can't you set standards at the part 91 level and not have the flexibility you speak of? I sure did. I limited myself when flying to 3000 foot runways with singles and 4000 foot runways with twins. Really didn't hurt flexibilty of flying around or enjoying what General Aviation has to offer. I had weather minimums as well.
Knowing your limits are the ops specs of general aviation.
No it should be "no person ever gets hurt, no violations are committed and no metal ever gets bend."The threshold for any type of flying, in my mind, is, "No person ever gets hurt and no metal ever gets bent."