First Year Pay

mtsu_av8er said:
I'm not sure about regional pay, but I'm on the $43,680/year program . . . that includes 10 hours of paid sleep per day!!:p
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Hey, I was on that program too in Orlando on 104, but then they moved me to STL. Now I only make $36,000 for my first year:( (poor me:D).

I just cant wait to jump in the regional rat race.
 
ChrisH said:
AND... you fly a Baron.
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I love how at FLX they pay you for DUTY TIME, wow what a concept. But just to piggyback, I made over 4g my first december at AMF in a PA-31 with EVERY weekend off at home, Christmas eve, Christmas day, and New Years Eve off. If anyone has alot of bills racked up from CFI days, I'd recommend flying freight for a year.
 
There is no doubt pay as a first year FO is crappy. Regional, legacy, major, or what have you.

But, there is still a very healthy living to be made flying. Its a marathon not a sprint.

Pay increases every year. Here is pay from a former SKYW member we have on board here.

1999: $ 2,903.37 (ouch- 2 months no pay)
2000: $18,944.53
2001: $26,305.57 (transitioned to the jet Oct. 2001)
2002: $39,088.78 (Captain pay began Nov. 2002)
2003: $62,970.30
2004: $73,198.62

Over time, it'll improve. You just have to stick it out.
 
Hootie9750 said:
I love how at FLX they pay you for DUTY TIME, wow what a concept. But just to piggyback, I made over 4g my first december at AMF in a PA-31 with EVERY weekend off at home, Christmas eve, Christmas day, and New Years Eve off. If anyone has alot of bills racked up from CFI days, I'd recommend flying freight for a year.
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Wish others paid for duty time. FLX seems like a great company. I have a friend who flew for them, but moved on to a regional. He loved it, and it took him awhile to leave. It is amazing how pay can work in this industry. Guys flying Barons, and 210s are making more than guys flying around in jets. To me, FLX has it right.
 
meritflyer said:
There is no doubt pay as a first year FO is crappy. Regional, legacy, major, or what have you.

But, there is still a very healthy living to be made flying. Its a marathon not a sprint.

Pay increases every year. Here is pay from a former SKYW member we have on board here.

1999: $ 2,903.37 (ouch- 2 months no pay)
2000: $18,944.53
2001: $26,305.57 (transitioned to the jet Oct. 2001)
2002: $39,088.78 (Captain pay began Nov. 2002)
2003: $62,970.30
2004: $73,198.62

Over time, it'll improve. You just have to stick it out.
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Hey. . . that looks familiar. . . :D

quick note: the 1999 number reflects a hire date of Aug. 23, 1999. Total compensation was 25K with the previous job. Next spring I'll add to it with first year Major pay. . . it's not pretty, but not quite as as bad as 2001.
 
meritflyer said:
There is no doubt pay as a first year FO is crappy. Regional, legacy, major, or what have you.

But, there is still a very healthy living to be made flying. Its a marathon not a sprint.

Pay increases every year. Here is pay from a former SKYW member we have on board here.

1999: $ 2,903.37 (ouch- 2 months no pay)
2000: $18,944.53
2001: $26,305.57 (transitioned to the jet Oct. 2001)
2002: $39,088.78 (Captain pay began Nov. 2002)
2003: $62,970.30
2004: $73,198.62

Over time, it'll improve. You just have to stick it out.
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So from 2000 to 2004 he made $220,505. Lets just say you were content on working max duty days five days a week with holidays and weekends off (its not hard to do a 14 hour duty day at FLX but im guessing not too many people would want to do that every day for five years-i dont but for the sake of argument) and didnt care what kind of equipment you flew or upgrade to a major. Maybe you had a sweet corporate gig lined up that pays what a first year captain at a commuter gets paid because all you did everyday was network with all the corporate guys while hangin out at the FBOs.

FLX
Year one: $43,000
Year two: $48,000
Year three:$51,000
Year four: $51,000
Year five: $51,000
Total earnings: $244,000. Not bad earnings for buzzin around in a Cessna everyday. Its only 24k difference but its those early years that worry me when Im trying to pay off debt and get started with investments, pay for a house, get married (never), etc.

Again, thats working everyday (actual work is around 3-4 hours) 14 hours a day, no pass bennies, no future upgrade, no international trips, ordinary lifestyle, and the risk of check flying disappearing. I know my dad busting his arse off in factory working those same hours for the past 20 years would love to do what im doing. But think about what that money could do for you starting off-pay down student loans, down payment on a house, e-fund for your airline furlough, start earning intrest in the market and have many years of compound growth. Maybe something all instructors should think about before they make the leap into the regionals.

Sure I would love to have 12-18 days off each month but since I took out $65,000 in student debt on someone elses credit Id better be working.

Im not trying to turn this into a freight vs airline debate but I cant believe you RJ drivers only make that much for flying a jet with loads of passengers. Since commuters have graduated to regionals and majors outsourcing their domestic flying to them then maybe your pay charts should graduate to pay more than cessna drivers.

Just a happy thought.
 
dbrault17 said:
FLX
Year one: $43,000
Year two: $48,000
Year three:$51,000
Year four: $51,000
Year five: $51,000
Total earnings: $244,000. Not bad earnings for buzzin around in a Cessna everyday. Its only 24k difference but its those early years that worry me when Im trying to pay off debt and get started with investments, pay for a house, get married (never), etc.
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That's a pretty eye opening chart. When I do the conservative math for working at my company I actually get around $233,000, which is less than you'd get at the culmination of 5 years if you stayed at FLX. That's actually a pretty compelling argument to go and stay FLX, a downside of course would be the lack of turbine time but as you said that can be worked around, after all you've got 5 years to figure it out ;).

Since commuters have graduated to regionals and majors outsourcing their domestic flying to them then maybe your pay charts should graduate to pay more than cessna drivers.

Just a happy thought.
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While you certainly were being serious, and I agree that I can't believe the pay is this low, just keep in mind the 20% pay raise FLX dolled out recently. Why did they do that? Because they thought you guys were stellar and making the company loads of money? Umm, no, they are cheap. They did it in order to attract folks such as yourself who saw that the benefits of going there and staying there can outweigh the benefits of working for a SJP. People jumping ship to the regionals have allowed for that pay scale you have there.
 
wheelsup said:
While you certainly were being serious, and I agree that I can't believe the pay is this low, just keep in mind the 20% pay raise FLX dolled out recently. Why did they do that? Because they thought you guys were stellar and making the company loads of money? Umm, no, they are cheap. They did it in order to attract folks such as yourself who saw that the benefits of going there and staying there can outweigh the benefits of working for a SJP. People jumping ship to the regionals have allowed for that pay scale you have there.
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I agree. Isnt that called supply and demand. Kinda funny how that works.
 
wheelsup said:
While you certainly were being serious, and I agree that I can't believe the pay is this low, just keep in mind the 20% pay raise FLX dolled out recently. Why did they do that? Because they thought you guys were stellar and making the company loads of money? Umm, no, they are cheap. They did it in order to attract folks such as yourself who saw that the benefits of going there and staying there can outweigh the benefits of working for a SJP. People jumping ship to the regionals have allowed for that pay scale you have there.
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I'm wondering why AirNet hasn't done this yet?
 
I'll probably be making somewhere around the neighborhood of $36,000 this year. I fly freight and I am on TDY a lot.
 
Doug Taylor said:
Lissenup folks:

1. Work Rules
2. Work Rules
3. Work Rules
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To quote my good friend JTrain above... true dat. ;)

Our recent attempt at a TA failed not because of the pay (which was OK, though not spectacular), but more because of work rules, including reserve issues, duty periods, scheduling, and other things.
 
The TA failed? Oh thank god. I was hoping it would. The reserve rules were totally ripped away from what you guys currently have.
 
kellwolf said:
The TA failed? Oh thank god. I was hoping it would. The reserve rules were totally ripped away from what you guys currently have.
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I dunno if "failed" is the right word, now that I think about it. Union leadership pulled the TA before the vote. Apparently they were surprised by the... intensity... of the feedback they were getting! :)

We'll get there...
 
mtsu_av8er said:
Because they have a steady stream of people that wouldn't think of flying a single engine aircraft.
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Not so much anymore. That stream is becoming a trickle.
I applied to FLX and Airnet. Airnet called first. That was back when FLX wasn't doing VFR stuff.
 
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