Being a CFI at UND vs Being a CFI at XXX FBO

[CAFFEINE]

I've never bitched at the SOF because my wind endorsement is high enough as to not restrict me in flights, so it doesn't affect me either way.
The thought of getting a wind endorsement at this point from some new hire that flies no better than I do bothers me. Being hired by UND as a CFI doesn't mean your skills automatically improve exponentionally just by having a paycheck from UND. Something to consider.

Oh so you're just one of those jerkoffs that bitches about it on the internet, gotcha. Why does it bother you to get a wind endorsement from a new hire? Would it bother you less to get one from an old dog with hundreds of hours of dual given? What's the difference? Keep poking fun at the newly hired CFIs if you'd like. Our skills aren't any better than yours, necessarily, but our logbooks are improving exponentionally just by having a paycheck from UND. Something to consider.

 

[stuckingfk]

I've never bitched at the SOF because my wind endorsement is high enough as to not restrict me in flights, so it doesn't affect me either way.
The thought of getting a wind endorsement at this point from some new hire that flies no better than I do bothers me. Being hired by UND as a CFI doesn't mean your skills automatically improve exponentionally just by having a paycheck from UND. Something to consider.

All has to do with insurance. Trust me.

 

[AngelFuree]

Would it bother you less to get one from an old dog with hundreds of hours of dual given?

Absolutely.

but our logbooks are improving exponentionally just by having a paycheck from UND. Something to consider.

As I would hope, being that you're exponentially older than me.

 

[AngelFuree]

All has to do with insurance. Trust me.

Thanks, I understand it from that POV.

 

[Dugie8]

Thanks, I understand it from that POV.

That's all it is brudda man, insurance, money. Like it or not, it makes the world go 'round. I would hope not too many instructors are holding uber high standards for these wind endorsements, especially for folks who have their private. What's the highest a private can get, 25 knots xwind??

 

[Dugie8]

hey mr UND apologist, explain to me the logic why i should be barred from registering from 222, and thus delaying me a whole frickin semester, when i may at WORST end up finishing 221 in early to mid january. explain it. i want to see a good argument.

It's not apologizing for UND, it is simple finite resources. If everyone who was behind and was "going" to finnish were allowed to register for the next flight lab, those that had finnished on time would be getting hosed. From an administration standpoint, who do you think should get first crack at the available slots?

If things are really that bad, ie weather, loads of students behind, there was usually some kind of extension for everyone to get their flying done by this date and still stay in the next lab. Constant communication with your LEAD is the key.

 

[undsioux1]

hey mr UND apologist, explain to me the logic why i should be barred from registering from 222, and thus delaying me a whole frickin semester, when i may at WORST end up finishing 221 in early to mid january. explain it. i want to see a good argument.

Last time I checked 221 was a prereq for 222, so how can you argue that you should be able to start 222 without finishing 221 in its entirety first? Regardless of when in the *near* future you plan on finishing 221, you have yet to finish it and shouldn't be allowed to progress in your training until you do so. Why is that such a hard concept?

I would, but he just summed it all up for me right there.

 

[undsioux1]

Why is that such a hard concept?

Because Grand Forks sucks!!!:nana2:

 

[Farva]

Couldn't have said it any better myself. Especially after 9/11 UND's insurance rates skyrocketed. Combine that with incidents such as the Emergency Descent into the field, and the school has a need for such rules. As far as wind endorsements go, im sure many aircraft have been saved from students wanting to fly a long XC or even a solo to the practice area. We still have aircraft run off the runway every semester.

I can see how night currency pisses people off here, but like i just said its something the school has to do. What you should be doing is asking yourself why you were about to take the night flight while you were not current. Its not like the SOF makes up rules 2 mins before you get the aircraft book, the rules are printed right in you SP&P, READ THEM!!! In every course, even in 400 level classes, the first lesson is always to review P&P.

For those of you in 221 that are having trouble with night flights because of this, stop bitching to everyone else for a second and slap yourself for being so far behind!! This course is designed EXPECIALLY for GFK weather with the last block being all sims!!

right on erik, i totally agree, people just need to keep up on there flight progress and just do there stuff the right way and they will suceed.
-Farva

 

[Farva]

Last time I checked 221 was a prereq for 222, so how can you argue that you should be able to start 222 without finishing 221 in its entirety first? Regardless of when in the *near* future you plan on finishing 221, you have yet to finish it and shouldn't be allowed to progress in your training until you do so. Why is that such a hard concept?

because he has a problem with his attitude. He also wants everyone else to be the problem rather than blaming himself. Oh well at least we can tell who is strong and who is weak. good luck on the mei checkride jay.

-Farva

 

[TXaviator]

It's not apologizing for UND, it is simple finite resources. If everyone who was behind and was "going" to finnish were allowed to register for the next flight lab, those that had finnished on time would be getting hosed. From an administration standpoint, who do you think should get first crack at the available slots?

i didnt say anything about taking over slots, etc.

obviously those done should have first pick, where did i say otherwise?

what im saying is, why does it make sense to delay me 4 additional months when all i require is maybe 3 weeks? why not start from there with the flying? what reasoning is there against that?

 

[TXaviator]

And here's the reason. There are only x number of planes/sims/ground school seats available. If you're not ready to go straight into 222, then they may have to limit someone who is ready from having access to these resources.

ok so by that logic, if the slots are filled up, fine, i get last pick when i am ready to begin the flying portion.

ive YET to see a ground school section that had zero empty seats in the classroom. why not let me begin the ground portion? what purpose does it serve to ban me outright from utilizing my time as best possible for that next semester?

 

[Tommay85]

ok so by that logic, if the slots are filled up, fine, i get last pick when i am ready to begin the flying portion.

ive YET to see a ground school section that had zero empty seats in the classroom. why not let me begin the ground portion? what purpose does it serve to ban me outright from utilizing my time as best possible for that next semester?

I've seen both my commercial ground school and multi-engine ground school classes completely fill up. I was in the more popular sections though. I've been in that situation you're in twice and it sucks a lot to be there. God knows I wished the policy didn't exist either at the time. I see why they have it though. With the courses with fewer lessons, starting late might not be a big deal, but ones like multi, CFI, CFII(maybe). Starting late in multi would most likely result in starting CFI late, which most likely would result in starting CFII late. I don't think it affects ground school classes as much, but the time slot your instructor could have otherwise used for a new student is being taken up by you to finish up.

 

[Dugie8]

i didnt say anything about taking over slots, etc.

obviously those done should have first pick, where did i say otherwise?

what im saying is, why does it make sense to delay me 4 additional months when all i require is maybe 3 weeks? why not start from there with the flying? what reasoning is there against that?

Nobody is delaying you Tx, but yourself. None of the rules, as petty as they may be, and none of the complications each course has are a secret. There are plenty of "tricks" you can do to get ahead when needed. I understand your frustration, I really do, been there, done it, got about 12 tee shirts, but in the end it comes down to you and what you are willing to do, to get the job done.

The simple fact is this, you cannot say with a great deal of accuaracy if you will be done in three weeks, simple as that. What you are saying is you should be able to register before being done, that is taking a slot from someone else. If there are open slots after you finnish you get right in if you are not past the last day to add. But then it becomes a rolling snowball, you started late, now you finnish late, you start the next course even later, so on and so on. From an instructor standpoint, it is a nightmare, trying to catch a student up, their hands are tied as well. This is the curse of a 141 program, the rigidness of the TCO.

If you are only goin through 415, you have an extra semester (102 through 415 is seven semesters, with 8 semesters for a four year run). I think you have credit from another school, so this doesn't help, but you still have summer session, IMO, the best time to fly, especially with 222 and 323. Two courses in the span of a "normal" semester.

 

[TXaviator]

I think you have credit from another school, so this doesn't help, but you still have summer session, IMO, the best time to fly, especially with 222 and 323. Two courses in the span of a "normal" semester.

i am already fully planning to take both summer sessions.

im still failing to see what else i could have done to speed up the flying this semester. i got continually screwed by weather. i work. oh and i have to go to class from time to time. if you get the impression i am one of those students that doesnt give a crap, parties instead of scheduling flights, goes home to mom and pop every weekend, etc, ask around... youll see i am very motivated to get this finished.

 

[CaptainChris87]

i am already fully planning to take both summer sessions.

im still failing to see what else i could have done to speed up the flying this semester. i got continually screwed by weather. i work. oh and i have to go to class from time to time. if you get the impression i am one of those students that doesnt give a crap, parties instead of scheduling flights, goes home to mom and pop every weekend, etc, ask around... youll see i am very motivated to get this finished.

more than likely, your goal is to take 222/323 for summer but somethign will hinder you,ether weather, CFI, not enough planes, $$$, or whatever itll just exponentially take longer for you to finish. Remember when we planned to take 221 over summer 06, neither me you nor antonio were able to \.(one of my key descisions in leaving) so to eveyone in here who blames the individual "all what YOU put into it" are all a crock load of @*@@. which is untrue many of us are darn determined to get things done, but of all the following I mentioned and others hidnerd me from finishing as well as many others in the aviation department.

 

[TXaviator]

more than likely, your goal is to take 222/323 for summer

current plan is 222 in spring then 323/325 in summer

 

[CAFFEINE]

current plan is 222 in spring then 323/325 in summer

Not totally sure you can do that. I believe 325 is a 9 week summer course. You'd have to double check that tho. I took 323 in the summer and I remember a guy in my class trying to finish 323 in 3 weeks so he could get into 325. It didn't work out for him.

 

[CAFFEINE]

more than likely, your goal is to take 222/323 for summer but somethign will hinder you,ether weather, CFI, not enough planes, $$$, or whatever itll just exponentially take longer for you to finish. Remember when we planned to take 221 over summer 06, neither me you nor antonio were able to \.(one of my key descisions in leaving) so to eveyone in here who blames the individual "all what YOU put into it" are all a crock load of @*@@. which is untrue many of us are darn determined to get things done, but of all the following I mentioned and others hidnerd me from finishing as well as many others in the aviation department.

Yeah but you guys were trying to finish up 102 which is a more difficult course to finish on time. 221 isn't really that hard to finish on time.

 

[TXaviator]

Not totally sure you can do that. I believe 325 is a 9 week summer course. You'd have to double check that tho. I took 323 in the summer and I remember a guy in my class trying to finish 323 in 3 weeks so he could get into 325. It didn't work out for him.

yeah i gotta see if its even possible.

but as for the finishing up 102 thing???? i was done with 102 in april