Maurus
The Great Gazoo
There is a reason I refuse to get on the FB pages. Even the meme page.
MTV's The Real World Guy and DEI Hiring
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Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
I get what you’re trying to drive at but this part is wrong: “I would argue we are leaving plenty of great pilots behind.”
They’re not pilots, just people. We will only know once they start training and become a pilot, if they are a good pilot.
Maurus
The Great Gazoo
Dude, duh. That is exactly what I am saying based on the full context.
Kingairer
'Tiger Team' Member
Better?
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
And why even have that 50% goal? Who made that number up?
Reality is, this job sucks for family life. I know women do it, more power to them, but it absolutely takes a toll on family life. There’s a reason a lot of women just don’t get into this career, and I don’t think it’s barriers. Even as a guy I loathe 4 day trips. It’s just too much away from family.
And just an opinion, but it seems despite many opportunities in this country, women prefer and gravitate towards jobs that are more human connection/person level as opposed to tech level. Which is why even in 2026 with virtually no jobs off the table for women, fields like teaching, nursing, and FAs are still predominantly women.
Reality is, this job sucks for family life. I know women do it, more power to them, but it absolutely takes a toll on family life. There’s a reason a lot of women just don’t get into this career, and I don’t think it’s barriers. Even as a guy I loathe 4 day trips. It’s just too much away from family.
And just an opinion, but it seems despite many opportunities in this country, women prefer and gravitate towards jobs that are more human connection/person level as opposed to tech level. Which is why even in 2026 with virtually no jobs off the table for women, fields like teaching, nursing, and FAs are still predominantly women.
exactly. As proven by one of CC’s favorite whipping boys. The FO at Atlas lied on his application and left off previous places of employment so as not to reveal his pattern of failures……which would have prevented his hire.
You really aren’t missing anything.
I need to avoid those pages, but certain topics create more work for me downstream if I don’t ‘nip it in the bud’ quickly.
"A lie told once remains a lie but a lie told a thousand times becomes the truth"
Egads, here we go again.
First, attend a Women in Aviation event. There are a lot of enlightening discussions and round table chats where the issue is discussed so there’s no need for you to make up your own statistics, when there are resources readily available. The next WAI event is outside of Dallas next month and you can learn a lot of interesting things. Your supposition about the level of women involving themselves in professional aviation is not based on fact
You’ll hear stories about representation, the caustic environment for females (even here) and a number of other microaggressions they have to face as they enter into a male dominated field.
No need to think for women. Ask some and listen to the diaspora of answers while shutting up.
Maurus
The Great Gazoo
Put your critical thinking cap on. Obviously it is an arbitrary number. But if you think about who is part of that number it isn't exactly unattainable. It isn't just women. That 50% gets diluted by minority men as well. I wouldn't be surprised if the LGBTQ community is also included in that number to some extent.
Also do realize the perspectives of women are changing now that they know old social norms and assumptions no longer constrain them.
WacoFan
Bigly
Yes. Exactly. And by exhibiting that you know this it makes your personal choice of narrowly limiting your news information intake even more baffling.
CFI A&P
Exploring the world one toilet at a time.
We’ve been over this many times. The outlet won’t pay for a reliable/informed industry expert because that costs money. You would rather get your information from sources that have ad revenue from click bait titles than subscription.
You get what you pay for.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
It’s not just the pilot field. I did engineering, I saw similar there. Bunch of nerdy guys who were clueless about their interactions with the literally one handful women engineers we had in the firm at the time. I know Kristy is an engineer, would be curious how her experience was in her 20s entering the engineering field.
Ehh… I feel like typing. Just a bit more.
No, the struggle isn’t over. That’s pedantic.
Human interaction is full of conscious and unconscious bias both positive and negative. When we aren’t aware of that bias, we end up rewarding familiarity instead of excellence. That’s why the “I” in DEI matters.
Inclusion is about creating space for people who aren’t like you. Read that carefully.
Imagine you have three candidates with identical qualifications:
A woman is often conditioned to be assertive, but not too assertive. Because in our culture, an assertive woman is quickly labeled “difficult” or “the b-word.” So many women learn to dance around topics to avoid offending you or creating a negative impression for you.
Many Asians are culturally conditioned to show respect through restraint. They may not lean in or dominate space at a table. They might sit further back. They may seem less engaged to a typical American - not because they don’t care, but because they’re signaling respect in a way that isn’t culturally “loud.”
DEI training exists to help people understand these differences, communicate more effectively, and build an environment where the best people can thrive. And yes—where companies make a lot more money because the best ideas actually rise to the top.
It’s the same with age. The political zeitgeist has no issue being openly ageist, which is ridiculously stupid.
Boomers:
Because of the world they grew up in, Boomers tend to be more self-sufficient, more skeptical, and sometimes more grievance-oriented. They were raised in the post-WWII era, when America was prosperous (for some) and the world seemed wide open. When reality didn’t match those expectations, it created resentment… especially as the world shifted away from American dominance.
Generation X:
We were raised in the post-Boom, early disco era. Parents disappeared for a week, left $20 on the counter, and we figured it out. We came home to empty houses, took care of ourselves, and as long as we were home when the street lights came on, everything was fine. No cell phones, no email, no digital trail. Our formative years were largely undocumented. We’re known for being self-sufficient, a little standoffish, and honestly - we’d prefer you just leave us alone.
Millennials:
The product of highly curated parenting. Baby Einstein. Helicopter involvement. Constant supervision. A world padded to remove sharp edges, failure, and discomfort. Driven everywhere...garage to school and back (because buses were “too scary.”) Shuttled from activity to activity, then dropped at home with exhausted parents, an iPad, and chicken fingers. So they need more engagement, more validation and well, memes?
Alright, I’m tired of typing.
But the point is this: the more we understand each other, talk to each other, and apply those lessons to create better working environments, the more we thrive - not just as companies, but as a nation.
That drive for understanding is what DEI is.
If you don't understand why I might struggle to fit in, or why the other person seems less engaging because they're sitting a foot back from the table and not touching it, or why Jill seems a little weaker because "we need to go around" came out of "I think we need to go around, right?" we're doing ourselves a disservice as a culture.
That’s literally all it is.
No, the struggle isn’t over. That’s pedantic.
Human interaction is full of conscious and unconscious bias both positive and negative. When we aren’t aware of that bias, we end up rewarding familiarity instead of excellence. That’s why the “I” in DEI matters.
Inclusion is about creating space for people who aren’t like you. Read that carefully.
Imagine you have three candidates with identical qualifications:
- A Black man
- A woman
- An Asian man
A woman is often conditioned to be assertive, but not too assertive. Because in our culture, an assertive woman is quickly labeled “difficult” or “the b-word.” So many women learn to dance around topics to avoid offending you or creating a negative impression for you.
Many Asians are culturally conditioned to show respect through restraint. They may not lean in or dominate space at a table. They might sit further back. They may seem less engaged to a typical American - not because they don’t care, but because they’re signaling respect in a way that isn’t culturally “loud.”
DEI training exists to help people understand these differences, communicate more effectively, and build an environment where the best people can thrive. And yes—where companies make a lot more money because the best ideas actually rise to the top.
It’s the same with age. The political zeitgeist has no issue being openly ageist, which is ridiculously stupid.
Boomers:
Because of the world they grew up in, Boomers tend to be more self-sufficient, more skeptical, and sometimes more grievance-oriented. They were raised in the post-WWII era, when America was prosperous (for some) and the world seemed wide open. When reality didn’t match those expectations, it created resentment… especially as the world shifted away from American dominance.
Generation X:
We were raised in the post-Boom, early disco era. Parents disappeared for a week, left $20 on the counter, and we figured it out. We came home to empty houses, took care of ourselves, and as long as we were home when the street lights came on, everything was fine. No cell phones, no email, no digital trail. Our formative years were largely undocumented. We’re known for being self-sufficient, a little standoffish, and honestly - we’d prefer you just leave us alone.
Millennials:
The product of highly curated parenting. Baby Einstein. Helicopter involvement. Constant supervision. A world padded to remove sharp edges, failure, and discomfort. Driven everywhere...garage to school and back (because buses were “too scary.”) Shuttled from activity to activity, then dropped at home with exhausted parents, an iPad, and chicken fingers. So they need more engagement, more validation and well, memes?
Alright, I’m tired of typing.
But the point is this: the more we understand each other, talk to each other, and apply those lessons to create better working environments, the more we thrive - not just as companies, but as a nation.
That drive for understanding is what DEI is.
If you don't understand why I might struggle to fit in, or why the other person seems less engaging because they're sitting a foot back from the table and not touching it, or why Jill seems a little weaker because "we need to go around" came out of "I think we need to go around, right?" we're doing ourselves a disservice as a culture.
That’s literally all it is.
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Ask her. I'd get her name right first.
They basically chased her out of the field by pushing her out publicly showing "Hey look! We have women!" but behind the scenes treating her like a go-for and a secretary that's just going to disappear to have babies or take a vacation and "Jimmy's gonna be here and your husband is rich so why do you want to progress?".
But ask her.
People gravitate to spaces they feel safe and valued in. That's why a lot of women go into nursing — it's a safe space, there are other women in the field that provide pathways and they don't have to have a bunch of misogynists that make them feel weird. And people can use implicit or non-implicit bias and not realize it.
....which is why we're supposed to have conversations about these things...
You're in Austin and there's a bar playing twangy pop-Country music sang by people with fake accents and a bar next to it that's playing Sisters of Mercy and Killing Joke, I'm way more comfortable and happy at the goth-ish bar because those are my people. But then I'd hit the country bar just to eff with people even though I hate modern Country pop.
It's easy if you're willing to open your eyes.
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HJB
Well-Known Member
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