DUI effect on current employment

Autothrust Blue said:
I think this is far more true of their thought-policing (specific to the UK, less so than the greater Commonwealth) than it is of keeping those accused of, in the Canadian term of art, 'serious criminality' from crossing their borders.

And yeah, I do think DUI is a serious crime.

I also recognize that it's a very American problem, too.
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Fair, but talking with some Aussie friends, they seem to confirm it goes beyond "thought policing". We were joking that while their version of the FAA is downright authoritarian in a way that makes the FAA look like a crossing guard, all the really ugly ADs over the past few years seem to come from Aussie birds that have been completely run to death or neglected critical maintenance.

But as to your point, with Uber/Lyft and the ubiquity of personal devices, there is 0.0 reason anyone needs to drive if they want to have a few.
 
BEEF SUPREME said:
My first experience as a juror was for a 2nd or 3rd DUI for some idiot with a lot of money. He had two attorneys in court with him. I kept thinking for the cost of fighting this most recent DUI he could have just had a full time limo with hookers and blow drive him around.
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My experience with this was the State's Attorney's office was trying to make a mountain out of a molehill to prove a point, and their attorney's were a couple right out of college, but acted like they were still in college. The defense attorney, who's suit pieces didn't even match, wiped the floor with them and the State's much touted evidence actually was exculpatory.

So the response rather to win cases, is they make the consequences of just being caught up in the process to stick with you, and to provide perverse incentives to local PDs to pull over & process every single person. You wind up with a lot of innocent people who are harmed by an amped up process. Get caught up in this incentivized process, and even if you blow a 0.0, you are going to pay the price.
 
Richman said:
My experience with this was the State's Attorney's office was trying to make a mountain out of a molehill to prove a point, and their attorney's were a couple right out of college, but acted like they were still in college. The defense attorney, who's suit pieces didn't even match, wiped the floor with them and the State's much touted evidence actually was exculpatory.

So the response rather to win cases, is they make the consequences of just being caught up in the process to stick with you, and to provide perverse incentives to local PDs to pull over & process every single person. You wind up with a lot of innocent people who are harmed by an amped up process. Get caught up in this incentivized process, and even if you blow a 0.0, you are going to pay the price.
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No argument from me.
 
Richman said:
But as to your point, with Uber/Lyft and the ubiquity of personal devices, there is 0.0 reason anyone needs to drive if they want to have a few.
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I agree. I still want to see us have meaningful transportation choices that do not involve cars (n.b., I live in a walkable place for more than one reason, and Uber is actually not a thing out there). But most locales, I suppose most do have a choice, they're just cheap about it.
 
NovemberEcho said:
Uber/lyft etc is ubiquitous in cities and large towns, nearly nonexistent outside of them.
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I haven't tried using the (surprisingly extant) busses out where I live just yet, but they do, on paper, run to some of the other places I enjoy going. It's just that if a run is cancelled, you're hosed. You might find a (one) rideshare to go back to where we live, but as far as leaving the house that way, forget it.

When I lived in downtown San José, though, pre-Uber/Lyft, I had a VTA pass, and I basically only used my car to go to/from work (due to odd hours and having to go to RHV) and to Trader Joe's. I do take the car to work about 50% of the time, but I'm just as likely to walk aboard then Link it, too.
 
Richman said:
So the response rather to win cases, is they make the consequences of just being caught up in the process to stick with you, and to provide perverse incentives to local PDs to pull over & process every single person. You wind up with a lot of innocent people who are harmed by an amped up process. Get caught up in this incentivized process, and even if you blow a 0.0, you are going to pay the price.
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The process is the punishment.
 
Richman said:
And it can suck up the totally innocent.

One person I made that observation to simply shrugged. Zero effs given to the people who that affected.
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Local municipalities are absolutely terrified to raise taxes to the level they need to sustain local services. So, other activities become de factor revenue generators instead of actual community safety efforts. We kinda do it to ourselves. Some locals here are throwing a fit about a property tax rise equivalent to about $100/ year on a half mil house. Meanwhile we can’t pay teachers, EMS, or cops enough to be anywhere near competitive with our cost of living.
 
Roger Roger said:
Local municipalities are absolutely terrified to raise taxes to the level they need to sustain local services. So, other activities become de factor revenue generators instead of actual community safety efforts. We kinda do it to ourselves. Some locals here are throwing a fit about a property tax rise equivalent to about $100/ year on a half mil house. Meanwhile we can’t pay teachers, EMS, or cops enough to be anywhere near competitive with our cost of living.
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I'm going to have to waive the BS flag, at least partially, on the school thing.

The amount of waste in one school district I lived in was beyond comprehension. There is plenty of money for teachers, music, the arts, phys-ed, vocational training and all the good stuff, but like getting the health insurance money to the actual caregivers, you'd have to cull out the parasites, "special projects", administrators & managing directors of all things unimportant, good deals for the juiced in and related hangers-on, forced initiatives from the state/federal entities like snowblowers for Florida schools, and all the other waste that soaks up all the money.
 
pwttogfk said:
I like craft beer and bicycles. They go well together. Bonus is that a brewery trip is almost calorie-neutral. No reason whatsoever to drive. If you can afford the bar tab you can afford an Uber.
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Careful with this one. In California at least you can get a DUI on a bicycle. At UCSC every school year someone would come into the bike coop with a DUI on the bike story. It always started with “well yes officer, I have been drinking but I’m on a bike.”
 
BEEF SUPREME said:
Careful with this one. In California at least you can get a DUI on a bicycle. At UCSC every school year someone would come into the bike coop with a DUI on the bike story. It always started with “well yes officer, I have been drinking but I’m on a bike.”
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DUI on a bicycle holds true in many states. Common misconception that the rider is a pedestrian when on a bicycle.

The same reason that someone I know earned a DUI on a golf cart. Their case was a little more complicated with it being an unregistered, uninsured motorized vehicle...
 
pwttogfk said:
Apparently I need to study this chart prior to each layover. Good news, I live in a state where the governor's had multiple DUIs swept under the rug...so it's unsurprising that bikes aren't considered vehicles for DUI purposes here.
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I just stopped drinking on layovers. Saved money, the gut, and I don’t have to worry about this, or being accused by some random third party of drinking to excess before work. Then it spilled over to just not drinking at all. I got to where I was trying to work my life/schedule around when I could drink. It’s been pretty liberating.
 
///AMG said:
I just kinda wonder why folks put themselves through this? Not trying to be judgy, and also not my life to live, but this is a great job that pays really well (at least eventually). My personal driving BAC is right around 0.0%. That’s what i have my wife for. And if she isn’t around to DD, I call an uber……$25-50 is a small price to pay. Don’t mean to rant or be that “guy”, but we have had a couple guys I fly with on the military side get nailed out in town in the last few months and I wish I could have bought their uber. They have no idea what lifetime/career income they just threw in the trash can because they didn’t want to pay cab fare (not to mention that they can’t fly military airplanes anymore either).
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My solution was to find a bar at the end of my block. Hard to get a DUI if you walk to the bar.
 
CoffeeIcePapers said:
I just stopped drinking on layovers. Saved money, the gut, and I don’t have to worry about this, or being accused by some random third party of drinking to excess before work. Then it spilled over to just not drinking at all. I got to where I was trying to work my life/schedule around when I could drink. It’s been pretty liberating.
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Did this about 8-9 years ago. Completely changed my perspective about how to live life. No knock on anyone who enjoys adult beverages.
 
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