DUI effect on current employment

NovemberEcho said:
Not to mention it takes far less alcohol to blow over a .08 than most people realize. You can feel dead cold sober and blow over. I blew a .09 and I’d had 2 beers.
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.05 is a silly, .10 seems reasonable, neither is well supported by research. Back when folks cared about science, there were some studies that found that inadequate sleep, fatigue, illness, injury, age-related mental decline, stress, depression, and distraction were greater accident risk factors than BAC at legal limits. Heck, should folks in their 80’s be driving?

BAC seems to be a poor predictor of performance degradation across a large population. I’m surprised that a functional test hasn’t been developed.

In my youth, it was common for folks to participate in competitive activities, even motorsports, after a few beers. In college, I did some of my best programming with a buzz.

Times have changed but 0.05 is a surprisingly low threshold.
 
Pilot Fighter said:
.05 is a silly, .10 seems reasonable, neither is well supported by research. Back when folks cared about science, there were some studies that found that inadequate sleep, fatigue, illness, injury, age-related mental decline, stress, depression, and distraction were greater accident risk factors than BAC at legal limits. Heck, should folks in their 80’s be driving?

BAC seems to be a poor predictor of performance degradation across a large population. I’m surprised that a functional test hasn’t been developed.

In my youth, it was common for folks to participate in competitive activities, even motorsports, after a few beers. In college, I did some of my best programming with a buzz.

Times have changed but 0.05 is a surprisingly low threshold.
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What is the .05 the threshold for? Everywhere I know of (except for CDL) is .08
 
NovemberEcho said:
What is the .05 the threshold for? Everywhere I know of (except for CDL) is .08
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Good point. I think only a couple states have 0.05 for intoxication, a few more states may use it for impairment vs intoxication.

Beyond that, breathalyzer use is often problematic due to calibration and training issues.
 
Richman said:
Way back in the PPW days, there was a young lady who had a pretty bad story. Trying to CFI it, and got hit by someone who was unlicensed & uninsured. Took a major financial hit because the person who hit her evaporated, and her own insurance was way insufficient.

Obviously a bad situation, but what most people fail to understand is auto insurance, even at its best, basically sucks as a product. At the state minimum, it's meant to cover fender benders or running over someone's herbaceous borders, and that's about it. Get into a major deal, and you'll exhaust the benefits almost instantly.

To really protect yourself, you need something WAY above the minimum, an umbrella policy on top, and good health care. You're not just paying for the financial coverage, but for the insurance company's legal team to sue the crap out of everyone (which they will do). Many carriers offer (or are required to offer in some states), uninsured/underinsured motorist riders, but typically the default is a trivial amount.

Given the general level of asshattery in cars these days, a really good look at your policies and exposure should be something everyone does. It should be noted that increasing coverage limits is not something that people generally do, so your ordinary "level 1" rep will understand or website isn't really designed to do. If you have more than a couple nickels to rub together, you really need someone who isn't a troll to put together your insurance package.
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It’s almost as if socialism doesn’t work.
 
jrh said:
I apologize if this has been covered before. I tried searching the forums and could only find posts referencing the effect of a DUI on future employment options, not one's current employment.

Let's say a pilot gets a DUI outside of anything work related. It happens on their days off and isn't covered under Part 40 / DOT drug test requirements.

The pilot reports it to their employer and has 60 days to report it to the FAA.

If this happened at your shop, how would this be handled by the employer? Under what circumstances would they be allowed to return to flying?
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In the FOM at my shop it just mentions that you have to report it to the FAA, and that’s about it as far as I can see.

Now entry into Canada for a ten year period, I’m not so sure about.
 
tlove482 said:
I don't think it's as simple as "just don't do it". You're telling a person on a substance that impairs judgement to exercise good judgement.
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Eh. Yes and no. I won't claim that I've never exceeded the legal limit of these things (some people reading this might have even been there when I did, if I did). But if I did, I always knew that I was being naughty, it wasn't like I just had no control over the situation and the beer MADE me drink it. Now I just call a Lyft or don't go a-drinkin.

And like, I do think that while this job is way easier than it's made out to be in many ways, being self-aware enough to know what current-you might have future-you doing if you Choose Poorly is a pretty obvious delineation-point between those who ought to be doing this stuff and those who should be in Real Estate. We all knew the deal when we got into this, no?
 
NovemberEcho said:
Not to mention it takes far less alcohol to blow over a .08 than most people realize. You can feel dead cold sober and blow over. I blew a .09 and I’d had 2 beers.
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This is exactly why I don't drive at all after a beer or two. I have no idea what BAC I'd be at, I imagine it varies wildly by how much food is metabolizing at the time, and many other factors. When I drink I drink beer, and I don't drink 3.1% Bud Lights, so that kinda throws the traditional 1 oz liquor, one beer, one 8 oz glass of wine, etc are all equal. A 6.5-8% 12 oz beer is probably already two of those, let alone another, or two pints. So I just stay home or make the wife drive. Not saying this to lecture you, obviously you know, just for the awareness of others.
 
derg said:
In the FOM at my shop it just mentions that you have to report it to the FAA, and that’s about it as far as I can see.

Now entry into Canada for a ten year period, I’m not so sure about.
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I'd have to imagine 2 things:

1) FAA pulls your medical and holds it until HIMS participation can be validated

2) In any kind of competitive hiring environment, HIMS or not, a DUI on the record is a black mark that many in the application pool simply don't have.
 
1. I don’t know, I think that’s why they throw it at the Feds
2. We’re about a ten-year ‘pause’ after the DUI before we’d consider the applicant. Scapegoat 🇨🇦 and CANPASS.

I have a colleague that had a DUI before employment that’s not in the HIMS program, so it’s certainly doable I guess. I really don’t know the dynamics other than being frozen-out for a decade.
 
When the cops tossed the rules and decided that a 0.0 blow is cause for an arrest because reasons or the muni budget was short so they needed juice from a federal program, then all bets are off.

The system was designed that the guilty lie, the innocent were clean, and the law was right.

Thats out the window for a number of reasons.
 
Richman said:
When the cops tossed the rules and decided that a 0.0 blow is cause for an arrest because reasons or the muni budget was short so they needed juice from a federal program, then all bets are off.

The system was designed that the guilty lie, the innocent were clean, and the law was right.

Thats out the window for a number of reasons.
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The ACLU is in the process of suing the Honolulu Police Department because of the number of DUI arrests that blew 0.0.
 
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