QX2059 Jumpseater tries to shutdown engines

knot4u said:
Don't take shrooms because you're sad. If you're sad tell someone, might be your spouse or your best friend, hopefully you have a priest/minister/preacher/chaplain. I'm convinced that pilots are subject to all or more of the stressors that cause "civilians" to go off their rocker and they're convinced (for good reason) that if they say it out loud they'll lose everything they've worked for. You don't need to go to your chief pilot or the FAA and tell them you're sad, but you do need to talk to someone that knows you. Keeping that crap bottled up is bad for not only you but also the people around you. Honesty and humility when talking about yourself is hard, but talking to someone you trust openly helps. Don't let it fester, put your ego aside and find someone you can talk to privately. That's the only advice I can give, trying to talk to a bunch of type A personalities is like hitting yourself in the head with a hammer, it feels better after the pain stops.
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I mean rule #1 of psychedelic drugs; don't do them because you're sad. You're gonna have a bad time. "I had a really scary experience with mushrooms". "Oh no, what happened?". "Well it was the night we found out my sister was dead and I had already barely slept...". Most common recreational drugs won't do much beyond temporarily masking ongoing mental issues at best, but can easily make them worse.

That said, not everything can be solved by talking things out. There is a difference between circumstantial depression and clinical issues that someone deals with forever regardless of their life circumstances. The issue is that although we as a species have found remedies to many of these issues, the Feds as a whole are afraid to put their stamp of approval on anything that could come back to them as "Well you KNEW he was depressed". At least when an A319 is flown into a mountain or someone tries to stop the engines on an E175, they can say "lol who knew?". This isn't unique to flying, an acute fear of liability handcuffs people seeking help for mental distress in other professionals as well like law enforcement. However from what I've heard even they have it easier than an airline pilot if they need to get diagnosed and treated for something requiring a "no-no" prescription. Anything linked to local or federal government is often times archaic and way behind the times.

///AMG said:
haha fair enough, though I'll see you and raise you "growing up in Eugene, OR" :)
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**laughs in dating girls at UC Santa Cruz**
 
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///AMG said:
haha.....**laughs in why did everyone I know from high school end up going to UC Santa Cruz for like 1-2 years and then drop out?**
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Touche. UCSC actually seemed to have just as many people from the Pac NW as the nearby Bay Area. Not a lot of people from the NorCal outside the Bay Area yet folks from all over Oregon with that out-of-state tuition LOL.

I dated a girl in UCSC admissions for a bit earlier this year, she was telling me they have one of the highest dropout rates and longest average completion rates in the UC system haha. She would have zoom meetings with applicants where they regularly would pause, say they were too high to continue (their college admission process, mind you), and request another session. Which would be granted. But they also have a "Natural History of Dinosaurs" class so who cares?
 
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Roger Roger said:
You’ve known me online for what, 10+ years? Is it REALLY that surprising that I’m in a workplace DND game?
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1) The Legend of Vox Machina on Amazon is hysterical, and is what happens when creative people play DND and record it.

2) The recent Chris Pine movie was actually pretty good and they got some of the lore right, which means someone was at least trying to pay attention.
 
Richman said:
1) The Legend of Vox Machina on Amazon is hysterical, and is what happens when creative people play DND and record it.

2) The recent Chris Pine movie was actually pretty good and they got some of the lore right, which means someone was at least trying to pay attention.
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The movie was superb.
 
ChasenSFO said:
But they also have a "Natural History of Dinosaurs" class so who cares?
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That would be a great hook for getting kids into evolutionary bio, anatomy/premed, geology, or a number of other natural sciences. Or just a super fun science elective. 10/10 wish I could go back to a college that explicitly taught that the world isn’t 6000 years old and Noah didn’t leave the dinosaurs off the ark
 
Roger Roger said:
That would be a great hook for getting kids into evolutionary bio, anatomy/premed, geology, or a number of other natural sciences. Or just a super fun science elective. 10/10 wish I could go back to a college that explicitly taught that the world isn’t 6000 years old and Noah didn’t leave the dinosaurs off the ark
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Absolutely agree!

One of my electives a billion years ago at UMass concerned the 1919 "Black Sox" scandal in baseball.

It taught me solid principles of research, discussion and debate, and personal interaction about an open-ended subject of which there is no absolute answer - and that was the point. It wasn't about an obscure event from a different era but about learning how to learn and the foundation it laid has served me well for damned near 50 years.

My Bachelor's was a terminal degree (BS in Pastoral Ministry) as an older student (to get out into the workplace in my then-chosen field), however I went on to pursue a broader Master's. That one course, which many would find unimportant and irrelevant, probably did more to influence my working career than all the credit hours following.

Learning is about learning and can be done in uncounted ways and places. Education matters for personal growth, not just for the job one might land by having it. I think it ought to continue until our last breath.

YMMV.
 
Bob Ridpath said:
Absolutely agree!

One of my electives a billion years ago at UMass concerned the 1919 "Black Sox" scandal in baseball.

It taught me solid principles of research, discussion and debate, and personal interaction about an open-ended subject of which there is no absolute answer - and that was the point. It wasn't about an obscure event from a different era but about learning how to learn and the foundation it laid has served me well for damned near 50 years.

My Bachelor's was a terminal degree (BS in Pastoral Ministry) as an older student (to get out into the workplace in my then-chosen field), however I went on to pursue a broader Master's. That one course, which many would find unimportant and irrelevant, probably did more to influence my working career than all the credit hours following.

Learning is about learning and can be done in uncounted ways and places. Education matters for personal growth, not just for the job one might land by having it. I think it ought to continue until our last breath.

YMMV.
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It’s funny how a couple classes can leave a mark. I took a sociology class on the cult of personality, we had to write a biography in a semester. Another class focused on the Cuban Missile Crisis. Another was a physics class on nuclear weapons that look are engineering, politics, and policy.
 
Pilot Fighter said:
It’s funny how a couple classes can leave a mark. I took a sociology class on the cult of personality, we had to write a biography in a semester. Another class focused on the Cuban Missile Crisis. Another was a physics class on nuclear weapons that look are engineering, politics, and policy.
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That’s how an academic “lark” becomes a minor (or, in my case a whole second Bachelor’s).

I really enjoyed the writing-intensive interdisciplinary electives I had to take.
 
Richman said:
1) The Legend of Vox Machina on Amazon is hysterical, and is what happens when creative people play DND and record it.

2) The recent Chris Pine movie was actually pretty good and they got some of the lore right, which means someone was at least trying to pay attention.
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So the scene where the paly is explaining the puzzle for the bridge in the underdark then the one character just destroys it instantly… I could almost here all the FMS in the group groaning. Some shared pain right there.
 
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