The math for quitting FedEx to go to United

Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Yes, my first post to answer you literally started with “yeah, 73 CA in LAX.”

I’m working as a pilot, employed as a pilot, vocation as a pilot, trabajo como piloto.
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Maybe he legitimately thought that you said that you facilitated of the garnering 73 Creditcard Applications in LA today. :)

You too can earn 70,000 miles after the first $3000 in purchases! And a FREE checked bag!
 
SrFnFly227 said:
He (and I) spent 5 years in the right seat at Pinnacle of all places. We worked nearly the entire time under an amendable contract. We saw a TA voted down and then had a 3 way merger. And not the good kind of 3 way if you were on the Pinnacle side. A joint contract was finally put in place for a bankruptcy to wipe the entire thing away. Luckily, we were both gone before the bankruptcy.

He then went through another merger and was forced to either move across the country or commute across the country. Not the best choices. Sure, he ended up a Captain, and he has really good seniority, but that's because he took a chance on a carrier that wasn't garnering a lot of applications and the bet turned out to be a much better one than going to Pinnacle in 2007.

Are there people who had a tougher time than we did? Absolutely. And he acknowledged 10 year+ upgrades at Eagle. The regionals were a • show and the lost decade changed the lives of a lot of the regulars on this forum. But that doesn't mean he isn't right when he points out people who started their 121 career after 2014 have not a clue what actual struggle is. More than half of my interview class at Delta in 2020 already had CJOs at other places. The other half had interviews scheduled at the other majors. Few, if any, had seen bad times in their career. Meanwhile, I was unemployed for the second time in my career and was finally interviewing after 5 years of application updates.
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Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Well, I disagree. Depends how you look at.

1. Had I stayed at my regional, my first opportunity to be a CA would have been 2015. That’s an 8 yr upgrade.

2. What I actually did. Left at 4.5 yrs to a LCC Major, and if I had taken the first upgrade it would have been Dec 2017. 10 yrs and 2 mos.


I ended up hanging into the NY base until the closed it, and took the upgrade effective Sept 2018. That is 11 yrs as a 121 FO.

And I always had bids for Captain upgrade*



*except for 2017 when I had a baby coming in July and didnt want to commute to SFO on reserve CA.
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There are many roads in this career, some people make it with minimal detours or construction zones - others spend their entire career dodging potholes and still getting stuck in traffic….

One of my mentors was 40 and at carrier #8 when that place when tango uniform. Mortgage to pay, mouths to feed, etc. Left the industry for a couple years then returned for airline #9 and that lasted until 65. Most of my mentors have similar stories of furloughs and turbulence when they though they’ve made it. We all know people that have had similar stories. People on this board have had serious hardship in the industry, some still are. All I’m saying is that being in the biz 6 years longer than those you want to mock isn’t the flex he thinks it is.
 
The guest on this week’s 21.Five podcast was lamenting that he had to spend two years at the regionals when the pandemic delayed his entry to the majors by a little bit… 🙄

One of the hosts had to remind him of the lost DECADE and how many of those who came before him either spent 10 years stuck where they were, or on furlough. I’m glad he did. Kept me from sending an angry email about the 20 years it took me to get to my current shop.
 
CFI A&P said:
There are many roads in this career, some people make it with minimal detours or construction zones - others spend their entire career dodging potholes and still getting stuck in traffic….

One of my mentors was 40 and at carrier #8 when that place when tango uniform. Mortgage to pay, mouths to feed, etc. Left the industry for a couple years then returned for airline #9 and that lasted until 65. Most of my mentors have similar stories of furloughs and turbulence when they though they’ve made it. We all know people that have had similar stories. People on this board have had serious hardship in the industry, some still are. All I’m saying is that being in the biz 6 years longer than those you want to mock isn’t the flex he thinks it is.
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There’s no flex. Just pointing out a FACT that new entrants since 2014 have not seen the bad stuff. And that their complaints are based on the good years. Eg, I’ve been at a regional two years now!!!!!



And this is aviation. 7 yrs is an eternity in this career. I started in 2007. 7 yrs prior to that? Starting in 2000? Holy cow would that have been bad. @ZapBrannigan is an example who started pre-9/11 and went through tons of mess. Guys around him, who basically started 7-10 yrs before me at 121, suffered far, far more than someone who started in 2007.


Or how about pilot suicides once their airline went belly up? Or because they were furloughed? Flew with an ex Aloha CA, she said she knew 3 suicides after March 2008 cause their jobs were gone.





It’s a fact that 2014-2020 and 2021-present has been the greatest bull run in aviation history. Those of us who have walked these shoes in prior times remember a vastly different landscape. No flex, just calling it like it is, versus was.
 
ZapBrannigan said:
The guest on this week’s 21.Five podcast was lamenting that he had to spend two years at the regionals when the pandemic delayed his entry to the majors by a little bit… 🙄

One of the hosts had to remind him of the lost DECADE and how many of those who came before him either spent 10 years stuck where they were, or on furlough. I’m glad he did. Kept me from sending an angry email about the 20 years it took me to get to my current shop.
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This right here is pretty much why I will never bitch (much) about my regional. I mean, yes, regionals suck but I know I have it better than....pretty much all of you did.

Except for airport reserve. Screw that noise.
 
killbilly said:
Except for airport reserve. Screw that noise
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Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Or how about pilot suicides once their airline went belly up? Or because they were furloughed? Flew with an ex Aloha CA, she said she knew 3 suicides after March 2008 cause their jobs were gone.
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Great point. There were a lot of post 9/11 furloughee suicides. Also a ton of divorces, and personal bankruptcies.

A guy in my class lost his house and had to move in with his in-laws.

He’s senior to me here now, but he had a rough several years and lost almost everything.
 
ZapBrannigan said:
The guest on this week’s 21.Five podcast was lamenting that he had to spend two years at the regionals when the pandemic delayed his entry to the majors by a little bit… 🙄

One of the hosts had to remind him of the lost DECADE and how many of those who came before him either spent 10 years stuck where they were, or on furlough. I’m glad he did. Kept me from sending an angry email about the 20 years it took me to get to my current shop.
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Im good now, but I was also part of the lost decade. I’ll play a bit of devils advocate, there’s no reason that guys today should put up with the BS that we had to. There’s no reason to put 10 years at a regional and in hopes of upgrading, maybe by 40ish making it to a major. What we went through should not ever be tolerated by any future generation.
 
HJB said:
Im good now, but I was also part of the lost decade. I’ll play a bit of devils advocate, there’s no reason that guys today should put up with the BS that we had to. There’s no reason to put 10 years at a regional and in hopes of upgrading, maybe by 40ish making it to a major. What we went through should not ever be tolerated by any future generation.
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Tolerated? Not like we had a choice. No one was hiring. And everyone said get 121 time to get competitive.


Tell terrorists to stop terroristing, and tell Americans to stop being such greedy effs that led to the 2008-10 GFC, and not allow age 65, that might have made a difference.
 
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