The math for quitting FedEx to go to United

CFI A&P said:
Says the guy that didn’t spend decades in the right seat….

Yes, the landscape in the last decade has been different than the historical norm, but don’t forget you’re also benefiting from those changes.
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He (and I) spent 5 years in the right seat at Pinnacle of all places. We worked nearly the entire time under an amendable contract. We saw a TA voted down and then had a 3 way merger. And not the good kind of 3 way if you were on the Pinnacle side. A joint contract was finally put in place for a bankruptcy to wipe the entire thing away. Luckily, we were both gone before the bankruptcy.

He then went through another merger and was forced to either move across the country or commute across the country. Not the best choices. Sure, he ended up a Captain, and he has really good seniority, but that's because he took a chance on a carrier that wasn't garnering a lot of applications and the bet turned out to be a much better one than going to Pinnacle in 2007.

Are there people who had a tougher time than we did? Absolutely. And he acknowledged 10 year+ upgrades at Eagle. The regionals were a • show and the lost decade changed the lives of a lot of the regulars on this forum. But that doesn't mean he isn't right when he points out people who started their 121 career after 2014 have not a clue what actual struggle is. More than half of my interview class at Delta in 2020 already had CJOs at other places. The other half had interviews scheduled at the other majors. Few, if any, had seen bad times in their career. Meanwhile, I was unemployed for the second time in my career and was finally interviewing after 5 years of application updates.
 
form810 said:
Huh? They're similar 'cause the same actor acted in both of them??
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No, they both have the same wiring.

Meter, pace, comedic style. I don’t think Ron Livingston or Owen Wilson are great actors but both can consistently deliver in comedic roles when the writer leverages their personalities.

Other than Wes Anderson films, has Owen Wilson done anything of interest?

Look at Livingston’s dialog in Office Space and Loudermilk. The writing of both fit Livingston.

So, they are similar characters, that’s writing. The casting recognized this.
 
So to recap, joined a regional 12-24 months ago and already a class date at SWA.



Honestly, I don't think this new generation would deal well with a furlough. It would not be calculable in their heads. They haven't seen it, nor do they see anything on the horizon to suggest it.
 
Pilot Fighter said:
No, they both have the same wiring.

Meter, pace, comedic style. I don’t think Ron Livingston or Owen Wilson are great actors but both can consistently deliver in comedic roles when the writer leverages their personalities.

Other than Wes Anderson films, has Owen Wilson done anything of interest?

Look at Livingston’s dialog in Office Space and Loudermilk. The writing of both fit Livingston.

So, they are similar characters, that’s writing. The casting recognized this.
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Ok, fair enough. But, if you're honest, I don't think that's what you meant in your earlier post. Maybe you did. Just sayin'... Excellent unusual attitude recovery, though! ;)
 
CFI A&P said:
Says the guy that didn’t spend decades in the right seat….

Yes, the landscape in the last decade has been different than the historical norm, but don’t forget you’re also benefiting from those changes.
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Well, I disagree. Depends how you look at.

1. Had I stayed at my regional, my first opportunity to be a CA would have been 2015. That’s an 8 yr upgrade.

2. What I actually did. Left at 4.5 yrs to a LCC Major, and if I had taken the first upgrade it would have been Dec 2017. 10 yrs and 2 mos.


I ended up hanging into the NY base until the closed it, and took the upgrade effective Sept 2018. That is 11 yrs as a 121 FO.

And I always had bids for Captain upgrade*



*except for 2017 when I had a baby coming in July and didnt want to commute to SFO on reserve CA.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
So to recap, joined a regional 12-24 months ago and already a class date at SWA.



Honestly, I don't think this new generation would deal well with a furlough. It would not be calculable in their heads. They haven't seen it, nor do they see anything on the horizon to suggest it.
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What do you actually do for money? Do you make your living by occupying yourself operating aerial appliances? Or, do you possess some other means of, you know, acquiring income?

Some folks made money the old fashioned way: They HAD it.
 
form810 said:
What do you actually do? Do you make your living by occupying yourself operating aerial appliances? Or, do you possess some other means of, you know, gaining income?
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My joke is in 2011, I applied to any company that had the word “Air” in it, and some of those might have been Air Conditioning companies. ;)
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
My joke is in 2011, I applied to any company that had the word “Air” in it, and some of those might have been Air Conditioning companies. ;)
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That's funny and definitely checks with the zeitgeist of that era. Still... So, No? You're NOT making your living operating aerial appliances?
 
Yeah, 73 CA in LA. Only source of other income would be my NJ house rented out (to a crap ass tenant).


I can’t complain too much. No divorce, no furlough, but as @SrFnFly227 mentioned (and I forgot), how many active pilots have gone through 2 mergers that included 2 JCBAs and 2 binding arbitration SLI? The uncertainty, post merger pains are a thing. Loss of seniority, bidding position, bases, etc.

How many people since the 2014 hiring cycle have gone through mergers? VX/Alaska and now finally another merger, Spirit and JetBlue. And despite how close they are in seniority relatively speaking, I know guys at both shops who are dreading the outcome.


All these 20s and 30s newhires at legacies were basically in high school or college when this was happening. They are the ones who came out into a post merger world, post new contract world that has seen nothing but retirements, growth, and INSANE vacancy bids.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Yeah, 73 CA in LA. Only source of other income would be my NJ house rented out (to a crap ass tenant).


I can’t complain too much. No divorce, no furlough, but as @SrFnFly227 mentioned (and I forgot), how many active pilots have gone through 2 mergers that included 2 JCBAs and 2 binding arbitration SLI? The uncertainty, post merger pains are a thing. Loss of seniority, bidding position, bases, etc.

How many people since the 2014 hiring cycle have gone through mergers? VX/Alaska and now finally another merger, Spirit and JetBlue. And despite how close they are in seniority relatively speaking, I know guys at both shops who are dreading the outcome.


All these 20s and 30s newhires at legacies were basically in high school or college when this was happening. They are the ones who came out into a post merger world, post new contract world that has seen nothing but retirements, growth, and INSANE vacancy bids.
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So, you're hiding with no direct reply, but rather, a blind post?? Why?
 
BobDDuck said:
You asked if he operated an aerial appliance.

He said he's a 737 Captain in LA.

For somebody who tells people they are just too dumb to read his posts, you sure suck at reading other people's.
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Ok, "Captain". You know PRECISELY what I meant. Be an airline pilot and Man up. Only YOU have ultimate responsibility for the safety of the flight, Bra!

Then again, maybe you were just waxing profound on an open mic about the Gs and the Gs and Gs!
🤣
 
BobDDuck said:
No... apparently I really don't.

Why don't you try again and ask it a bit more precisely.
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Fair enough. Like I said, there's a reason I've been doing a lot more long distance driving lately.

And, like Forest Gump said...
 
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