Age 67

[roundout]

"And to the pilot unions out there, you’re doing a disservice to the traveling public…” - Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC)

*slaps sidestick*

Watch how safely I can fly this thing

 

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

I can't even. How old are you?

It doesn’t matter. When I started ground school at my regional, it was Age 60. I still remember getting the FOM update to put in our little binder for Age 65, around December 2007.

How was that fair? I signed on the dotted line when everyone would leave at 60. They got 5 more years at their top end salaries (granted, BK era salaries). The regional guys were double screwed with Age 65 and the 2008-2010 GFC. Anyway, the end bottom line is when age 65 passed, I got my 5 extra years as a RJ FO, while mainline guys got theirs at legacy 12th yr CA pay. Age 67 would allow us to get some benefit on the top end.

That said, I fully realize that I may not live to 67 or hold a medical to 67. Still, the option to do so would be nice.

And to all that talk about you’d never want to work that long. Are you kidding me? Maxed out on 12th yr pay for decades, at 41 vacation days per year, routinely getting 20 day off lines (before vacation drops)? Sorry, that’s basically like the best part time job ever. You’re hardly working. Why not hardly work another 2 years if you can hold a medical? That’s another 700-800 grand.

 

[Ian_J]

It doesn’t matter. When I started ground school at my regional, it was Age 60. I still remember getting the FOM update to put in our little binder for Age 65, around December 2007.

How was that fair? I signed on the dotted line when everyone would leave at 60. They got 5 more years at their top end salaries (granted, BK era salaries). The regional guys were double screwed with Age 65 and the 2008-2010 GFC. Anyway, the end bottom line is when age 65 passed, I got my 5 extra years as a RJ FO, while mainline guys got theirs at legacy 12th yr CA pay. Age 67 would allow us to get some benefit on the top end.

That said, I fully realize that I may not live to 67 or hold a medical to 67. Still, the option to do so would be nice.

And to all that talk about you’d never want to work that long. Are you kidding me? Maxed out on 12th yr pay for decades, at 41 vacation days per year, routinely getting 20 day off lines (before vacation drops)? Sorry, that’s basically like the best part time job ever. You’re hardly working. Why not hardly work another 2 years if you can hold a medical? That’s another 700-800 grand.

It wasn’t fair then. You guys got screwed. What you aren’t understanding is that it’s crappy and selfish of you now to support another age increase. Knowing how it negatively affected you in 2007, why would you want to do that to the pilots under you now?

 

[Kingairer]

It wasn’t fair then. You guys got screwed. What you aren’t understanding is that it’s crappy and selfish of you now to support another age increase. Knowing how it negatively affected you in 2007, why would you want to do that to the pilots under you now?

Because some people like to play the contrarian, always.

 

[roundout]

It doesn’t matter. When I started ground school at my regional, it was Age 60. <snip>

How was that fair?

Fair? You're literally saying it wasn't fair for you to suffer, but you support it now.

Lots of us got yanked around between 9/11 and 65. Things are better now.

There are people in the world who suffer from true unfair circumstances. There aren't a lot of people going to sympathize with a guy making $300k/yr or more saying his career didn't turn out the way he planned.

 

[form810]

Looks like things are progressing into “real” status as Sen Graham of SC has proposed this legislation. Time to write your congressman/Senators.

Don't know if you'll get much love from your Senators. Geriatric seems to be working quite well for the Senate. Why not aviation, too? I mean, it lends the idea credence. If pilots can still fly airplanes at 65-67, certainly the American public should be confident in the continued astute decision making of the members of America's most lofty (elevated?) legislative body.
The list below is the cut of just the +65 Senate crowd. Note: it's almost half of 'em.

Rank	Senator	State	Length of Senate	Current age	Party
1​	Dianne Feinstein	California	24 years, 27 days	83 years, 168 days	Democratic
2​	Chuck Grassley	Iowa	35 years, 339 days	83 years, 81 days	Republican
3​	Orrin Hatch	Utah	39 years, 339 days	82 years, 260 days	Republican
4​	Richard Shelby	Alabama	29 years, 339 days	82 years, 215 days	Republican
5​	Jim Inhofe	Oklahoma	22 years, 20 days	82 years, 20 days	Republican
6​	Pat Roberts	Kansas	19 years, 339 days	80 years, 231 days	Republican
7​	Barbara Mikulski	Maryland	29 years, 339 days	80 years, 140 days	Democratic
9​	Thad Cochran	Mississippi	37 years, 346 days	79 years, 0 days	Republican
11​	Patrick Leahy	Vermont	41 years, 339 days	76 years, 251 days	Democratic
12​	Lamar Alexander	Tennessee	13 years, 339 days	76 years, 157 days	Republican
13​	Barbara Boxer	California	23 years, 339 days	76 years, 26 days	Democratic
14​	Bernie Sanders	Vermont	9 years, 339 days	75 years, 90 days	Independent[1]
15​	Mitch McConnell	Kentucky	31 years, 339 days	74 years, 291 days	Republican
16​	Bill Nelson	Florida	15 years, 339 days	74 years, 69 days	Democratic
17​	Jim Risch	Idaho	7 years, 339 days	73 years, 218 days	Republican
18​	Dan Coats	Indiana	5 years, 339 days	73 years, 205 days	Republican
19​	Ben Cardin	Maryland	9 years, 339 days	73 years, 63 days	Democratic
20​	Mike Enzi	Wyoming	19 years, 339 days	72 years, 310 days	Republican
21​	Angus King	Maine	3 years, 339 days	72 years, 251 days	Independent[1]
22​	Dick Durbin	Illinois	19 years, 339 days	72 years, 16 days	Democratic
23​	Johnny Isakson	Georgia	11 years, 339 days	71 years, 345 days	Republican
24​	Richard Blumenthal	Connecticut	5 years, 339 days	70 years, 298 days	Democratic
25​	Ed Markey	Massachusetts	3 years, 144 days	70 years, 149 days	Democratic
26​	Jeff Sessions	Alabama	19 years, 339 days	69 years, 349 days	Republican
27​	Tom Carper	Delaware	15 years, 339 days	69 years, 319 days	Democratic
28​	Jeanne Shaheen	New Hampshire	7 years, 339 days	69 years, 314 days	Democratic
29​	Joe Manchin	West Virginia	6 years, 22 days	69 years, 105 days	Democratic
30​	Mazie Hirono	Hawaii	3 years, 339 days	69 years, 34 days	Democratic
31​	Tom Udall	New Mexico	7 years, 339 days	68 years, 203 days	Democratic
32​	Ron Wyden	Oregon	20 years, 305 days	67 years, 218 days	Democratic
33​	Elizabeth Warren	Massachusetts	3 years, 339 days	67 years, 168 days	Democratic
34​	Jack Reed	Rhode Island	19 years, 339 days	67 years, 25 days	Democratic
35​	David Perdue	Georgia	1 year, 339 days	66 years, 363 days	Republican
36​	Roy Blunt	Missouri	5 years, 339 days	66 years, 332 days	Republican
37​	Debbie Stabenow	Michigan	15 years, 339 days	66 years, 222 days	Democratic
38​	Patty Murray	Washington	23 years, 339 days	66 years, 57 days	Democratic
39​	Chuck Schumer	New York	17 years, 339 days	66 years, 14 days	Democratic
40​	John Boozman	Arkansas	5 years, 339 days	65 years, 363 days	Republican
41​	Deb Fischer	Nebraska	3 years, 339 days	65 years, 281 days	Republican
42​	Mike Crapo	Idaho	17 years, 339 days	65 years, 201 days	Republican
43​	Al Franken	Minnesota	7 years, 153 days	65 years, 200 days	Democratic
44​	Roger Wicker	Mississippi	8 years, 342 days	65 years, 155 days	Republican
45​	John Cornyn	Texas	14 years, 6 days	64 years, 309 days	Republican

 

[form810]

Baring some economic tsunami, even with my retirement # I don’t want to even go to 67, let alone 65. Lol. Amazing. But I know everyone situation is different… but this doesn’t solve any issues. Classic American corporation/government logic - kick the can down the road 2 years. That will really help!

Meh, the Airlines built their house decades ago. Now they get to keep living in it.

 

[Bob Ridpath]

It doesn’t matter. When I started ground school at my regional, it was Age 60. I still remember getting the FOM update to put in our little binder for Age 65, around December 2007.

How was that fair? I signed on the dotted line when everyone would leave at 60. They got 5 more years at their top end salaries (granted, BK era salaries). The regional guys were double screwed with Age 65 and the 2008-2010 GFC. Anyway, the end bottom line is when age 65 passed, I got my 5 extra years as a RJ FO, while mainline guys got theirs at legacy 12th yr CA pay. Age 67 would allow us to get some benefit on the top end.

That said, I fully realize that I may not live to 67 or hold a medical to 67. Still, the option to do so would be nice.

And to all that talk about you’d never want to work that long. Are you kidding me? Maxed out on 12th yr pay for decades, at 41 vacation days per year, routinely getting 20 day off lines (before vacation drops)? Sorry, that’s basically like the best part time job ever. You’re hardly working. Why not hardly work another 2 years if you can hold a medical? That’s another 700-800 grand.

It's not "fair.". Kinda' like life.

We all get our 100%, whether that's a long time or far too short.

We do the best we can with what we've got. Some of us are f**cked and some of us aren't.

Long time, or short, we can make the difference we can and enjoy the ride.

Personally, I'd be damned before I chose to work additional years for the sake of a few extra dollars that benefit , more often than not, people other than me.

YMMV, but I'm happy to have three years of retirement behind me now and to anticipate whatever time I have left with the beauty of every new sunrise and the joy of happy dogs on our walks.

 

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

It's not "fair.". Kinda' like life.

We all get our 100%, whether that's a long time or far too short.

We do the best we can with what we've got. Some of us are f**cked and some of us aren't.

Long time, or short, we can make the difference we can and enjoy the ride.

Personally, I'd be damned before I chose to work additional years for the sake of a few extra dollars that benefit , more often than not, people other than me.

YMMV, but I'm happy to have three years of retirement behind me now and to anticipate whatever time I have left with the beauty of every new sunrise and the joy of happy dogs on our walks.

I get that. I’ve been very lucky all things considered, hired at a young age at my major. Who knows, maybe I’ll punch out at 60. Or get medical out at 50. Way too many unknowns.

I remember the saying “make hay while the sun shines.” That’s what I’ve been doing, while also trying to maximize time at home (key: do day trips).

I’m completely okay with age 65 staying in place.


Do you really want me to piss of pilots? Well, it’s my personal belief we should leave age 65 alone and knock down the 1500 ATP rule to 500-750 hrs total. COME AT ME JETCAREERS

 

[Kingairer]

Do you really want me to piss of pilots? Well, it’s my personal belief we should leave age 65 alone and knock down the 1500 ATP rule to 500-750 hrs total. COME AT ME JETCAREERS

Agree there. 750+

 

[dx8709]

Don't know if you'll get much love from your Senators. Geriatric seems to be working quite well for the Senate. Why not aviation, too? I mean, it lends the idea credence. If pilots can still fly airplanes at 65-67, certainly the American public should be confident in the continued astute decision making of the members of America's most lofty (elevated?) legislative body.
The list below is the cut of just the +65 Senate crowd. Note: it's almost half of 'em.

Rank	Senator	State	Length of Senate	Current age	Party
1​	Dianne Feinstein	California	24 years, 27 days	83 years, 168 days	Democratic
2​	Chuck Grassley	Iowa	35 years, 339 days	83 years, 81 days	Republican
3​	Orrin Hatch	Utah	39 years, 339 days	82 years, 260 days	Republican
​

The point remains the same, but your list is actually a few years out of date. Dianne Feinstein is now 89, Chuck Grassley is 88, and Orrin Hatch is dead. Staffers who work directly with Feinstein are growing increasingly alarmed and disturbed by her cognitive decline when even a short time ago she was still fairly sharp.

 

[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

It wasn’t fair then. You guys got screwed. What you aren’t understanding is that it’s crappy and selfish of you now to support another age increase. Knowing how it negatively affected you in 2007, why would you want to do that to the pilots under you now?

It’s not hard to understand. He’s a bad person who doesn’t give a damn about anyone but himself.

 

[form810]

The point remains the same, but your list is actually a few years out of date. Dianne Feinstein is now 89, Chuck Grassley is 88, and Orrin Hatch is dead. Staffers who work directly with Feinstein are growing increasingly alarmed and disturbed by her cognitive decline when even a short time ago she was still fairly sharp.

Yeah, you're absolutely correct. In fact, if you look carefully, you'll find a couple dead people I already eliminated. But surely I need to be taken out to the woodshed for leaving Orrin Hatch on the list while removing John McCain.

 

[HRDiva]

Yeah, you're absolutely correct. In fact, if you look carefully, you'll find a couple dead people I already eliminated. But surely I need to be taken out to the woodshed for leaving Orrin Hatch on the list while removing John McCain.

Enzi died last year. Is Al Franken back in office?

 

[typhoonpilot]

I want this to happen because retired airline pilots keep lowering the bar on some of the work I do. Keep them flying airliners and out of my rice bowl

 

[Hiboglossi]

Is Al Franken back in office?

Some of his fans want him to primary Kirsten Gillibrand in 2024. Apparently he has actually moved to New York since leaving office but says he has no plans to run.

 

[Hiboglossi]

It’s not hard to understand. He’s a bad person who doesn’t give a damn about anyone but himself.

If memory serves he's no where near retirement age. Unless he's already near the top of his seniority list he's shooting his own seniority progression in the foot by supporting Age 67 now. I suspect he's trolling.

 

[Roger Roger]

If memory serves he's no where near retirement age. Unless he's already near the top of his seniority list he's shooting his own seniority progression in the foot by supporting Age 67 now. I suspect he's trolling.

I mean, his MO in everything else is “I don’t care if it hurts me as long as it also hurts a lot of people I don’t like” so this is on-brand.

 

[tcco94]

Damn bro, getting roasted. You gonna defend yourself? @Cherokee_Cruiser

Hey since you support 67, why fly a guppy till you’re 67 like a crazy person? We are hiring

 

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

If memory serves he's no where near retirement age. Unless he's already near the top of his seniority list he's shooting his own seniority progression in the foot by supporting Age 67 now. I suspect he's trolling.

A 2 yr pause? We retire like 30-40 people a year for this timeframe. No big loss.

Damn bro, getting roasted. You gonna defend yourself? @Cherokee_Cruiser

Hey since you support 67, why fly a guppy till you’re 67 like a crazy person? We are hiring

No roasting. Some just don’t like the truth.

One way or another Age 67 will come. You’d be a fool to think it won’t. The same way the 1500 hr rule will be changing someday as well. We need these changes because the manpower just isn’t there. Oh wait, sorry, peoplepower. Not enough want to do this job, traditional pipelines are very low (eg, military). 500-750 hrs and Age 67. We’ll see it this decade - IMO.