Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
You haven’t met Instagram pilot Garrett?
AA W/O’s get massive pay raise
- Thread starter mwflyer
- Start date
You haven’t met Instagram pilot Garrett?
Talk about a guy thats looking for a flow back…….
RORO
Well-Known Member
PDT doesn't have PBS.
Beefy McGee
Well-Known Member
My mistake. Are you getting it now with the new agreement? Or did I read something incorrectly?
RORO
Well-Known Member
Perhaps it is part of the new agreement? I left a few months ago
Maurus
The Great Gazoo
PSA management has a tendency to add a ton of strings to this stuff. The strings are usually attached to the elimination of SAP and bringing PBS onto property.
They also have this odd tendency to add strings directly to proposed improvements that essentially make them worthless. For example with the big bonus LOA they "improved" the flow but the strings they attached never allowed the increase in flow to trigger.
Last edited:
Cory Trevor
Well-Known Member
I wish I went on that retreat…
poser765
Well-Known Member
I mean if you are just looking for an awkward evening with a campfire on the trinity river, a lot of “yeah bro”s, and some light petting with an AAG guy I’m free this weekend.
AlphaRomeoCharlie
Well-Known Member
As someone coming up on ATP mins (20 hrs left!) who's just about to leave flight instructing... any thoughts on where to go now that all this hit the fan? I have things all lined up to start training with Republic on 7/1, but this has me thinking I should possibly consider something else... all seriousness though, if you were in my shoes and could offer your advice what would you say?
Flyinthrew
Well-Known Member
I've given this some thought, and tried to put myself in the shoes of an AA pilot and especially an AA Line Check Airman. Apparently their negotiations aren't going very well. I'm pretty sure if I was a LCA I would be turning in my LCA credentials. I don't think most LCAs do it specifically for the money, but something of this magnitude is pretty soul crushing. How much does a narrow body AA LCA need to work to make the $32k+ per month that a Piedmont LCA makes?
Flyinthrew
Well-Known Member
If it makes any sense geographically, put yours apps in at the AA WOs. Save up the extra money cuz this is unsustainable.
Also, congratulations!
poser765
Well-Known Member
While I agree n principle, isn’t this like the very definition of supply and demand?
Kingairer
'Tiger Team' Member
Many have already quit being CKA at AA. The company realizes there is a shortage but the union (rightfully) hasnt allowed them to just increase CKA pay without addressing all of the contract. AA is sending out desperate emails to try to get more people to apply to be a CKA. As many of suggested, these large pay increases at Eagle havent exactly helped morale at mainline. Rather than putting a truly industry leading contract at mainline, which would help flow retention, theyve decided to try to go cheap at mainline while putting this bandaid on their WOs. CEO posted a video yesterday saying (paraphrasing), 'A industry leading contract is coming, we just wanted to see what UAL does, but please keep being good employees while we wait.'
Last edited:
msmspilot
Well-Known Member
DAL is having the same problem. Disclaimer: my information was current in March.
Maurus
The Great Gazoo
RIP SAP.
The only legitimate reason to go to PSA is now gone. Go to Envoy instead if you want to part of AA land, better base structure.
On another note, the MEC could be in trouble as well. All past documentation (joint company and ALPA comms along with an LOA) required a pilot vote for PBS including a past LOA. The MEC passed PBS with no pilot vote. Honestly don't know if the pay rates will be enough to appease the pilots or not.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
Sigh... I'm amazed it lasted as long as it did. Probably the greatest bit of contract language I'll ever have been part of negotiating. I just wish they'd traded it for something other than money.