Leave for Frontier or stay at Atlas

killbilly said:
Yeah.....I thought that was kind of what I was saying?
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It was more social commentary. But hey, all I did was answer @Cherokee_Cruiser question about why I prefer a career at United, over Delta. And well... that's what I was told. So figured that you as a CFI would also be held to the same system of forum belief. Lol.

But I'll stop. I'm just being petty af. :D
 
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swakid8 said:
Hey everyone, I am faced with a tough choice. I am currently with Atlas air on year 2 and received a CJO with Frontier airlines recently. I’ve been debating to make the move or stay where I am at. Every other day I am switching sides.

Pros with staying with Atlas
- Schedule is great for me and the family believe or not (fixed year long schedule)
- commute is easy and gotten easier with my new base now
- Money is good right now for the short term (can’t make a decision about this)

Cons
- Looks like things are going to stagnate some in terms of growth here and upgrades
- Retirement isn’t industry standard
- Question mark about future flying 767 and 737 fleet with Amazon. Hate to see them go away then that will really stagnate things for me.

Pros Frontier Airlines
- A lot of growth planned which means potential career upward movement more so than where I am at.
- More schedule flexibility
- Better retirement

Cons
- the commute looks like it will be pain in the butt with not having a lot of Frontier metal out of my home airport
- first year pay is terrible (short term pain for long term gain)

I’ve been trying to land a legacy carrier but it seems like I am hearing crickets from United and AA and unfortunately didn’t make it past the Delta assessment. Lay it on me.
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Stay with Atlas. Thanks to the moronic dufus in the White House, oil prices are going to hit heretofore unimagined highs. The middle class is about to become poor. They won't have money to put food on the table, let alone fill their gas tanks or buy airline tickets. But freight will still move, at least for the short term.
 
My two years at Atlas were the happiest of my life. Sure there's a lot to be frustrated about, but at the end of the day it's still one of the best jobs in aviation. Short term they will continue to print money. I would stay, especially with everything going on in the world.
 
QXDX said:
Stay with Atlas. Thanks to the moronic dufus in the White House, oil prices are going to hit heretofore unimagined highs. The middle class is about to become poor. They won't have money to put food on the table, let alone fill their gas tanks or buy airline tickets. But freight will still move, at least for the short term.
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So for clarification sake, in your opinion you fully believe. It's Joe Biden, and not OPEC that is in complete control of barrel production. Which directly relates to gas prices at the pump. Please address.
 
QXDX said:
Stay with Atlas. Thanks to the moronic dufus in the White House, oil prices are going to hit heretofore unimagined highs. The middle class is about to become poor. They won't have money to put food on the table, let alone fill their gas tanks or buy airline tickets. But freight will still move, at least for the short term.
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It’s truly amazing how often you talk out of your ass:

www.investing.com

Oil Prices Tumble Double-Digits as UAE, Iraq Call for Higher OPEC Output By Investing.com

Oil Prices Tumble Double-Digits as UAE, Iraq Call for Higher OPEC Output
www.investing.com
 
Maximilian_Jenius said:
So for clarification sake, in your opinion you fully believe. It's Joe Biden, and not OPEC that is in complete control of barrel production. Which directly relates to gas prices at the pump. Please address.
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It's my opinion that the OP should stay where he's at, because I think the music is about to stop, and bottom of the seniority list is the last place he wants to be if that happens.
 
Maximilian_Jenius said:
So for clarification sake, in your opinion you fully believe. It's Joe Biden, and not OPEC that is in complete control of barrel production. Which directly relates to gas prices at the pump. Please address.
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I don't think he wrote that? Complete control, no.

But there's still several things the government here can do to help Americans but they aren't.
 
Doug Masters said:
Okay, that’s even better, name five policies the executive branch can enact to materially reduce oil prices in the US over the next 3 months.
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Sure.

www.eia.gov

U.S. to release 30 million barrels of crude oil from its Strategic Petroleum Reserve - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

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Not enough. Release it. All of it.

Next, suspend the federal gas tax for 1 yr minimum. 18.4 c/gallon saving. Make sure oil companies don't try to screw around with the pricing once the government enacts their tax suspension.

Next, do the same for the state gas tax. Minimum 1 yr suspension. This would be ESPECIALLY helpful in California. California, I'll have to check but is around 51-52 cents/gallon AND an increase coming this year and the percent increase is tied to....... wait for it......... INFLATION. Yes, the people of Calfornia voted for this garbage. They just loving paying more and more to their state in taxes, and love to see less and less as a result.

Looks like there's some movement/traction in multiple states...



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MikeFavinger said:
Oof. Just one opinion here, but a discussion about leaving one airline for another is a very JC thing deserving of its own thread. This oil stuff belongs elsewhere.
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Fair enough, sorry for the off track.


On point though, I have to say at this point I'd be wary of being at the bottom of any seniority list. Double so for a 14,000 pilot list.
 
MikeFavinger said:
Oof. Just one opinion here, but a discussion about leaving one airline for another is a very JC thing deserving of its own thread. This oil stuff belongs elsewhere.
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Excellent point, my bad for contributing to thread drift.

swakid8 said:
Hey everyone, I am faced with a tough choice. I am currently with Atlas air on year 2 and received a CJO with Frontier airlines recently. I’ve been debating to make the move or stay where I am at. Every other day I am switching sides.

Pros with staying with Atlas
- Schedule is great for me and the family believe or not (fixed year long schedule)
- commute is easy and gotten easier with my new base now
- Money is good right now for the short term (can’t make a decision about this)

Cons
- Looks like things are going to stagnate some in terms of growth here and upgrades
- Retirement isn’t industry standard
- Question mark about future flying 767 and 737 fleet with Amazon. Hate to see them go away then that will really stagnate things for me.

Pros Frontier Airlines
- A lot of growth planned which means potential career upward movement more so than where I am at.
- More schedule flexibility
- Better retirement

Cons
- the commute looks like it will be pain in the butt with not having a lot of Frontier metal out of my home airport
- first year pay is terrible (short term pain for long term gain)

I’ve been trying to land a legacy carrier but it seems like I am hearing crickets from United and AA and unfortunately didn’t make it past the Delta assessment. Lay it on me.
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I think if you are relatively happy at Atlas staying there until you can get on with a legacy/FedEx UPS is the way to go. I noticed most of your cons for Atlas are more long term things (movement, company future, etc.). With the hiring going on right now it’s only a matter of time until you get on at your final stop company. It’s worth it to hold out and focus your efforts on getting hired at one of those. The time and energy spent at Frontiert as a new hire in training is time you could spend on pursing your ultimate career destination.
 
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