melax
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Aeroflot 593 ?
Pilatus with 7 Aboard Down Off The Coast of NC
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Aeroflot 593 ?
Sadly eerie. I'm not able to approximate what part of flight this is but. . .I'm believing this might be the beginning of the end.
Yes, I'm wondering if there is any snippets of audio available even though it was VFR.
RIP.
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NOGUFFCHET
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Doesn't the Pilatus have quite a terrible, wing dropping stall characteristic?
Roger Roger
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I mean, if you do a power on stall and fight through the pusher to the full stall yeah. But to get to that point sooooo much has to go wrong….
Nihon_Ni
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Yes, in certain conditions it does -- there's a video of the test pilots will full aileron input just prior to the break. It has a stall pusher for that reason. I have done a power off clean stall in the simulator, and it was as docile as any airplane I've ever flown. I have no idea how well or poorly that approximates reality.
ppragman
FLIPY FLAPS!
Acquaintance of mine did some flight test in it, says power off is really docile. The video of the wild break is power on and it looks like the airplane is torque rolling
Wardogg
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Takeoff rudder trim is way out to the right for that reason. The only time rudder trim is centered, is in cruise.
BigZ
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In Florida it would go something like
"Gimme your best rate"
ITT 820°, 400 fpm
"That's the best we can do today"
Condolences to the families of this crash victims.
Someone mentioned Bramlage crash - ugh, that one was "gives me heebie-jeebies" bad.
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Wardogg
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Murdoughnut
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Obvious question - but what’s the CVR or data recording equip they could fish out of a PC-12?
Fixtur
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I think this is at startup. They've got their McDonald's out while it's still lukewarm.
Roger Roger
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A CVR and LDR (lightweight data recorder) with underwater locating beacon are standard equipment.
Pretty sure the LDR will display everything that goes through the EFIS screens (flight instrument data, engine parameters, caution/warning, flap, trim, landing gear position, autopilot status), which is pretty much everything going on with the airplane except flight control inputs.
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Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Thats the crash I referred to, that was Florida right? He said SD? I’m curious what iced up Pilatus accident they’re talking about.
juxtapilot
Snowflake
I wouldn’t call any stall in the PC12 docile… Once it stalls it doesn’t want to fly again. Takes some finesse and like others have said, the torque from adding back that 1200 HP will put you right back into a stall. Been 5 years since I’ve flown it but I do remember stalling it would be quite undesirable.
ppragman
FLIPY FLAPS!
I flew it for a living too. Did you ever actually stall it?
juxtapilot
Snowflake
Man it’s been a long time, I remember doing something that I didn’t like and having the oh crap this would suck moment, but I *think* training was supposed to only go to pusher.. Maybe power off went to full stall? Other than that, the airplane was probably the most stable flying airplane in existence—which really makes my stomach crawl when I see accidents like this or Bramlage.
Wardogg
Meat Popsicle
Yes that was Florida. This is the other one.
Loss of Control in Flight: Pilatus PC-12/47E, N56KJ; fatal accident occurred November 30, 2019 near Chamberlain Municipal Airport (9V9), Brule County, South Dakota
Kirk Hansen and Pilatus PC-12/47E N56KJ Initial taxi on ramp Taxi from ramp area Accident takeoff Aviation Accident Factual Report - Nationa...
Roger Roger
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Hopefully this isn’t utterly tasteless, but my sense of humor is somewhat tickled at the idea of a last meal being McDonald’s.
ppragman
FLIPY FLAPS!
#Merica