UAL to require all employees to get vaccinated

[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

Well, aren't you just the little totalitarian statist? First it's "get the jab or lose your job." Then it's "get the jab or go to jail!" What is lawful about forcing someone to get a medical treatment? Shall we have forced sterilization next?

Not after the fact, it isn't.

I get it, the military isn’t good for me, either, because I’m bad at following orders. But following orders is sorta the whole military deal, so unless they‘re ordering you to commit genocide, you kinda have to do as you’re told. It doesn’t really work without that.

You really don't have to bend over that far backwards, my dude, just ask him why he's for vaccine mandates but against mask mandates. Or maybe that's already been asked, I don't know, I try to ignore The Todd as much as I can. Inconsistent logic five!

For the record I'm in favor of both, though, just so you don't think I'm on your side or anything. You're both a junk drawer full of expired coupons in my book.

You pick and choose what you remember of what I’ve said in order to bolster your position that I’m somehow inconsistent, when it’s actually you who can’t pick an ideology. My stance is clear and consistent: no governmental mandates. Masks or vaccines.

 

[derg]

But you had the choice not to enlist. A current service member doesn't have that choice.

It's one thing to require vaccination as a condition of enlistment. It's another to mandate to someone who doesn't have a choice.

Isn’t the militaries primary task is to break stuff and neutralize enemies? Could you imagine if we had an embassy overrun in a foreign country, we send an unvaccinated unit in to secure the location and a few days later, they’re all coughing their guts out?

I”m just a dumb civilian but allowing the military to pick and choose which protections they will accept sounds… well, it just sounds like an idiotic idea.

 

[BobDDuck]

My stance is clear and consistent: no governmental mandates. Masks or vaccines.

Can't remember if it was here or BookFace, but weren't you just complaining about hotels requiring masks in common spaces?

 

[USMCmech]

Isn’t the militaries primary task is to break stuff and neutralize enemies? Could you imagine if we had an embassy overrun in a foreign country, we send an unvaccinated unit in to secure the location and a few days later, they’re all coughing their guts out?

I”m just a dumb civilian but allowing the military to pick and choose which protections they will accept sounds… well, it just sounds like an idiotic idea.

FYI: Official DOD policy is that experimental vaccines can't be mandated to military personnel. This is why there are a sizable % who haven't gotten their shot yet. However, the SecDef can change these policies any time he wants (which is what is likely to happen soon).

The Anthrax vaccine was FDA approved when the DOD mandated it back in 97. There was some reluctance and distrust of military medicine on the part of a few people, but once it was given as a direct order everyone got it or got an OTH discharge.

 

[fholbert]

I get it, the military isn’t good for me, either, because I’m bad at following orders. But following orders is sorta the whole military deal,

Naaaa, I was in the Air Force.

 

[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

Can't remember if it was here or BookFace, but weren't you just complaining about hotels requiring masks in common spaces?

Yes, I don’t like masks. I’m pretty consistent on that.

 

[BobDDuck]

Yes, I don’t like masks. I’m pretty consistent on that.

I get that... but your stance isn't as simple as just "no government mandates" then.

 

[Soul Brotha']

I wonder how well it would work if someone claimed to have founded a new religion that prohibits vaccination.

 

[ASpilot2be]

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[Wardogg]

.....but once it was given as a direct order everyone got it or got an OTH discharge.

Yeaaaaaah about that. That's not entirely accurate. There are ways to skate around anything. I only ever got 1 flu shot of the annual requirement and 1 anthrax out of the 4 that I was ordered to get. Still deployed every year from 2001 to 2009.

 

[///AMG]

FYI: Official DOD policy is that experimental vaccines can't be mandated to military personnel. This is why there are a sizable % who haven't gotten their shot yet. However, the SecDef can change these policies any time he wants (which is what is likely to happen soon).

The Anthrax vaccine was FDA approved when the DOD mandated it back in 97. There was some reluctance and distrust of military medicine on the part of a few people, but once it was given as a direct order everyone got it or got an OTH discharge.

Yeah, I imagine this will be a big nothing-burger when it comes to pass. I'm sure some folks will fight it, and they will probably lose or give up. I'm not anti-vax by any means, but I will say that every year I played a sport where I tried to avoid the flu shot for as long as possible. I hate needles, and I managed to find the one job, other than porn star, that requires me to give blood samples and get jabbed on a semi-regular basis. Spoiler alert, I never actually made it past the deadline without capitulating due to the sheer mass of people I was starting to make life difficult for. Eventually I just started getting them done when it was asked, like an adult.

 

[///AMG]

and 1 anthrax out of the 4 that I was ordered to get.

This is true. We got a mass shot-ex on my first deployment, and then they basically stopped caring after the first shot. By the time the booster was due, I think we were almost home, and by then nobody cared ever again. Also never heard another word about Anthrax shots or boosters in any other tour after that, so I think in hindsight, I blame our flight doc. JK, I'll be mildly resistant when the anthrax war breaks out, and fully resistant to smallpox, unlike most of my generation.

 

[Wardogg]

At least now the lines been drawn and people can choose where to put apps into.

3 major US airlines will not mandate shots for their unvaccinated workers

The CEOs of Southwest Airlines, American Airlines and Delta Air Lines say they are not requiring unvaccinated employees to receive the shot, breaking with United Airlines' mandate that workers get vaccinated by October 25 or face getting fired.

www.cnn.com

 

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

At least now the lines been drawn and people can choose where to put apps into.

3 major US airlines will not mandate shots for their unvaccinated workers

The CEOs of Southwest Airlines, American Airlines and Delta Air Lines say they are not requiring unvaccinated employees to receive the shot, breaking with United Airlines' mandate that workers get vaccinated by October 25 or face getting fired.

www.cnn.com

Doubtful they’ll stick. Wait until after the FDA issues regular approval.

 

[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

I expected such silliness from American and Southpest. But disappointed in Delta. Ed is usually smarter than that.

 

[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

I get that... but your stance isn't as simple as just "no government mandates" then.

Sure it is. I’m not saying that the Hyatt shouldn’t be allowed to require masks. They can. And I can choose to take my business down the street to the Marriott (which I prefer, anyway). That’s not a mandate. It’s a private company making decisions based on their own risk tolerance, just as I did with my employees. That’s a far cry from government mandates.

 

[lionrock]

At least now the lines been drawn and people can choose where to put apps into.

Isn't the widget already requiring new hires to be vaccinated though? This is only for current employees?

 

[GypsyPilot]

Doubtful they’ll stick. Wait until after the FDA issues regular approval.

Yep. Good luck operating international flights with partially vaccinated flight crews whenever the world starts to return to international pax travel.

It will 100% be impossible to operate a normal international flight schedule with unvaccinated flight crews. Which is exactly why United is mandating it.

Not everyone is flying from Knucklehead, AL to Miami.

 

[BobDDuck]

Sure it is. I’m not saying that the Hyatt shouldn’t be allowed to require masks. They can. And I can choose to take my business down the street to the Marriott (which I prefer, anyway). That’s not a mandate. It’s a private company making decisions based on their own risk tolerance, just as I did with my employees. That’s a far cry from government mandates.

I totally get that. But I thought I read that you would just ignore the Hyatt's mandate. (and I agree... what the hell are you doing holding a conference/meeting at the Hyatt when there is a Marriot down the street?)

 

[Autothrust Blue]

I get that... but your stance isn't as simple as just "no government mandates" then.

Corpofascists are still fascists.

Well. That’s not quite adequate and it’s too reductive, but placing lots of power in the hands of businesses is - ironically - why unions exist, too.