Challenger Truckee

fholbert said:
Slow and clear I said: Approach, 01B, I see nothing but granite in my windshield.

The SoCal frequency went dead quiet. Everyone heard what I said. That's when the controller made mistake #2, "O1B say again?"
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Bwahahahaha.

Also, yeah, I believe it. It happens out that way.
 
Boris Badenov said:
Ooh, crap. They just now figured out there were three more people on it? No expert but I thought that was on the flight plan. Rip.
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Sorry to be gruesome here but…

It’s kinda like with that Florida building collapse. Sure, we know what the FP may say, and we know their is a family missing someone, but you gotta remember there probably wasn’t anything left of the bodies. So they have to get DNA from the family somehow, and then test whatever is left over in the crash. Which could be literally nothing recognizable as human left over.
 
T/O w/FSII said:
Sorry to be gruesome here but…

It’s kinda like with that Florida building collapse. Sure, we know what the FP may say, and we know their is a family missing someone, but you gotta remember there probably wasn’t anything left of the bodies. So they have to get DNA from the family somehow, and then test whatever is left over in the crash. Which could be literally nothing recognizable as human left over.
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I think his point was that a flight plan - properly filed- accurately communicates the number of souls on board. I believe his shock was related to quantitative cognitive dissonance, not qualitative cogdis.
 
Space Monkey said:
I think his point was that a flight plan - properly filed- accurately communicates the number of souls on board. I believe his shock was related to quantitative cognitive dissonance, not qualitative cogdis.
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But it doesn’t. That’s not how legally identifying bodies and next of kin works, especially when there’s nothing left. Souls on board works great when it’s a rescue at sea, but you can also take out people on the ground so it doesn’t really mean anything for a large crash like this.
 
T/O w/FSII said:
But it doesn’t. That’s not how legally identifying bodies and next of kin works, especially when there’s nothing left. Souls on board works great when it’s a rescue at sea, but you can also take out people on the ground so it doesn’t really mean anything for a large crash like this.
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Yes. Right. Absolutely.

But individual IDs was NOT @Boris Badenov's shock. He was talking simply about the delay in accurately knowing/identifying the NUMBER of people on board. Or at least that's how I took it.
 
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Space Monkey said:
135 "Managed" 91 birds... Bringing lies, specious liability/tax advantages, and smoking holes to an uninformed owner near YOU!

Act now, and you'll also get a freshly initially-typed crew!
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That comment takes the already low bar this site has been operating on lately and puts it damn near on the floor. You have no idea how this plane was being operated. You ought to be ashamed, but somehow I'm sure you'll blow it off.

At least one crew member has been named and he was a professional contractor with over 4000 hours in the Challenger. He was also an active member on a competing forum.
 
SrFnFly227 said:
That comment takes the already low bar this site has been operating on lately and puts it damn near on the floor. You have no idea how this plane was being operated. You ought to be ashamed, but somehow I'm sure you'll blow it off.

At least one crew member has been named and he was a professional contractor with over 4000 hours in the Challenger. He was also an active member on a competing forum.
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Interpret as you will; There's not a damned thing I can do about that.

I never claimed ANY idea about the specs of this accident. As a matter of fact, I explicitly denied any knowledge about the specs of this accident.

If you want to pile on with the rest of the like-click motorcycle gang, knock yourself out. Mine was a general statement about the general state of the industry. If, in order to go after me personally, you want to turn that into some specific comment making some specific statement about THIS specific accident... ??? Well, that's your reading comprehension and none of my own.

I suppose if 20 people say they saw you drunk, you might as well start drinking...

Still, I'll remain here for office hours after class.
 
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Space Monkey said:
I'll endeavor to write more clearly, but clear writing is rarely done quickly, and I have little time. Words... and math and logic and context are hard, m'kay.
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Funny how everyone else around here seems to manage it. I think the difference might be that they aren’t trying to sound infinitely smarter than they actually are. Just a hypothesis…

And drop the faux ignorance and own up to Crop Duster. It’s really old at this point.
 
SrFnFly227 said:
That comment takes the already low bar this site has been operating on lately and puts it damn near on the floor. You have no idea how this plane was being operated. You ought to be ashamed, but somehow I'm sure you'll blow it off.

At least one crew member has been named and he was a professional contractor with over 4000 hours in the Challenger. He was also an active member on a competing forum.
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Was one of them a PPW guy?
 
SrFnFly227 said:
He was. For 11 years if I remember right and he had been active within a few days of the accident. A few members over there knew him personally.
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I flew a bunch with him when he was still flying 121. One of the better captains I worked with.
 
My heart goes out to those who knew and loved. No one goes to work thinking they will face a situation that turns deadly. Could be any of us.
 
BobDDuck said:
I flew a bunch with him when he was still flying 121. One of the better captains I worked with.
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There was a guy really going low on him and the other pilot on the PJP page in Facebook. The guy who created the page actually. He's been paying for it though.
 
SlumTodd_Millionaire said:
Funny how everyone else around here seems to manage it. I think the difference might be that they aren’t trying to sound infinitely smarter than they actually are. Just a hypothesis…

And drop the faux ignorance and own up to Crop Duster. It’s really old at this point.
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What's getting old is this "Crop Duster" crap. WTF are you talking about??? You guys got a secret clubhouse, or what?
 
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