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Really becuase I specifically said I fly FedEx freight which is exactly what I do? Factually. And somehow that becomes I work for FedEx and it’s pile on Av8tr1.

Sure and Seaports disaster was all my fault too.....
It's pile on you night because you're pretending to be a pilot at a company you do not work for. You very matter of fact stated "we have them at FedEx", a company you do not work for. How many people on here work for regional's who have their airplanes owned by a major airline and claim they work there? Maybe even wear a mainline lanyard? I can only think of one... now 2.
This works the same as when you worked at Seaport...you state the company who actually employs you. Difficult concept I know.
 
Man, I enjoy your postings but look at it from the outside. Based solely on your posting history/stories drama follows you like a stripper with daddy issues.

I really don't mean that in a negative way at all - good faith intended - because you've got some great stories.

Ha! I noticed this too. Basically a story on every thread on JC. When do you have time to fly av8rt1?
 
It's pile on you night because you're pretending to be a pilot at a company you do not work for. You very matter of fact stated "we have them at FedEx", a company you do not work for. How many people on here work for regional's who have their airplanes owned by a major airline and claim they work there? Maybe even wear a mainline lanyard? I can only think of one... now 2.
This works the same as when you worked at Seaport...you state the company who actually employs you. Difficult concept I know.

Honest question since I've never flown for a regional: How much parallel is there?
For example-
  • FedEx boxes / Delta passengers, this one is easy.
  • Loaders and ground crew work for FedEx. Are gate agents and flight attendants at regionals employed by Delta?
  • Airplanes belong to Fedex. Same?
  • Airplanes maintained by Fedex. Same? Does Delta pay for maintenance on the CRJs?
  • Gates, ramps, facitilies - owned, rented, paid for by Delta?
  • Obviously in either case the flight crew is not employed by the majors or we wouldn't be having this discussion.
  • Does Delta literally pay money directly for regional pilot wages?
  • Does Delta pay per diem, rental cars, hotels, and a plethora of other expenses for SkyWest pilots, for example?
I'm curious how analogous the situation is.
 
Honest question since I've never flown for a regional: How much parallel is there?
For example-
  • FedEx boxes / Delta passengers, this one is easy.
  • Loaders and ground crew work for FedEx. Are gate agents and flight attendants at regionals employed by Delta?
  • Airplanes belong to Fedex. Same?
  • Airplanes maintained by Fedex. Same? Does Delta pay for maintenance on the CRJs?
  • Gates, ramps, facitilies - owned, rented, paid for by Delta?
  • Obviously in either case the flight crew is not employed by the majors or we wouldn't be having this discussion.
  • Does Delta literally pay money directly for regional pilot wages?
  • Does Delta pay per diem, rental cars, hotels, and a plethora of other expenses for SkyWest pilots, for example?
I'm curious how analogous the situation is.
The name on the top of your paycheck is who you work for, everything else is irrelevant. Simple as that.
 
  • FedEx boxes / Delta passengers, this one is easy.
Less easy than you'd think because some regionals fly for multiple partners so some days the pax may be Delta and some days they may be United.
  • Loaders and ground crew work for FedEx. Are gate agents and flight attendants at regionals employed by Delta?
Mostly never for the agents, although at a few stations. Same fro rampers. Never for the FAs
  • Airplanes belong to Fedex. Same?
Some times, but mostly not.
  • Airplanes maintained by Fedex. Same? Does Delta pay for maintenance on the CRJs?
Normally not.
  • Gates, ramps, facitilies - owned, rented, paid for by Delta?
Probably. But not always.
  • Obviously in either case the flight crew is not employed by the majors or we wouldn't be having this discussion.
True.
  • Does Delta literally pay money directly for regional pilot wages?
Nope.
  • Does Delta pay per diem, rental cars, hotels, and a plethora of other expenses for SkyWest pilots, for example?
Nope.
I'm curious how analogous the situation is.
 
@BobDDuck pretty much covered it but I am bored so...

FedEx boxes / Delta passengers, this one is easy.

There were times in the past where, in the same week, I would fly Delta, American, and United passengers. I've since changed bases and haven't flown passengers for anyone but American for months, however in theory I could pick up a United or Delta trip from another base at any time.

Loaders and ground crew work for FedEx. Are gate agents and flight attendants at regionals employed by Delta?

At hubs and larger stations ground staff may be mainline employees. in DTW and MSP the RJs were handled by DGS. In SLC the larger RJs were mainline, the 50 seater RJs were still contracted out last I checked. ATL has bounced back and forth over the years between contract and mainline depending on whether quality of service or cost was more important. I remember at one point having to do recurrent training on four different regional partners while I worked as a mainline gate agent. We had SkyWest, ExpressJet, Mesaba, and Compass all flying into PHX and all were ground handled by mainline employees. Podunkville is pretty much guaranteed to be contract employees.

Airplanes belong to Fedex. Same?

Depends. Delta owns or holds the lease on all of Endeavor's planes, same with those at Compass and the CRJ-700s at GoJet. They also own a smattering of CRJ-200s used by SkyWest as well as the CRJ-700s and -900s that they are taking from ExpressJet and moving to Endeavor. All told Delta holds the lease or owns a little over 350 of their connection carrier planes. Similarly United holds the leases to the ERJ-145s that are or were at ExpressJet, plus a fair number of their recent EMB 175 deliveries. According to the FAA data base American owns most of the planes flown by their wholly owned carriers plus some flown by independent regionals. It helps the whipsaw when mainline leases or owns the planes and doesn't have to worry about the plane getting repossessed for missed payments while shuffling it between regionals.

Airplanes maintained by Fedex. Same? Does Delta pay for maintenance on the CRJs?

Not directly, other than overhauls when shuffling RJs between carriers or on planes going in and out of storage paid for by the mainline owner.

Gates, ramps, facitilies - owned, rented, paid for by Delta?

Again, larger cities and hubs with mainline service, most likely yes. Even in larger cities with contract ground staff, it's not unheard of for the facility leases to be held by the mainline carrier. Two flight a day stations in rural areas, again, pretty much guaranteed to be owned/leased by the contract services provider as they are usually the only company there and provide services to all the regionals that fly in.

Does Delta literally pay money directly for regional pilot wages?

Arguably at Endeavor who's sole source of income is Delta, but not really.

Does Delta pay per diem, rental cars, hotels, and a plethora of other expenses for SkyWest pilots, for example?

Nope. I mean, only in the sense that Delta pays SkyWest and at some point some minuscule fraction of the money gets put into my paycheck, but Delta doesn't control what SkyWest pays their employees or provide any direct reimbursement for costs incurred by SkyWest employees.
 
Thanks guys for the answers! Since this was being used as an analogy it made me curious how similar the situations are. It sounds like things with the passenger airlines are not as clear cut, especially with the regionals that service multiple customers.

And did someone say something about cockpit cameras in this thread a while back? I can't remember...
 
True, but no one knows Empire, other than Star Wars and that takes the conversation in a weird direction given the fan in me. So when I say I fly FedEx freight they all seem to get it. The freight is FedEx, the plane says FedEx in big purple and orange letters on the side. And the plane is owned by FedEx. I even have a FedEx ID. Just becuase I’m a contractor paid by a different company it’s just easier to say I fly FedEx freight and let them work out the rest. I did the same when I was in IT at the end of the day Nextel/Sprint/MCI/BT/etc paid my salary and assigned work. That it got routed through a couple of other companies isn’t an issue.

It’s kinda like the, do you ever want to be a commercial pilot conversation?
If this was the fb, or some general forum, I'd kind of see where you're coming from. This is an aviation web site with people actually employed by your company on it. Don't say, well "no one knows Empire" when a colleague of yours is on the same site.

Yes, words mean things. And your words were misleading on an aviation site. Stop the poor me, everybody's picking on me act, and be genuine. Your first statement was disingenuous at best...

My brother in law works IT. Guess what, he never claims to work for IBM. He works for a contractor and says so. Why is that hard?

Or don't, and keep having multiple page threads follow you around...
 
If this was the fb, or some general forum, I'd kind of see where you're coming from. This is an aviation web site with people actually employed by your company on it. Don't say, well "no one knows Empire" when a colleague of yours is on the same site.

Yes, words mean things. And your words were misleading on an aviation site. Stop the poor me, everybody's picking on me act, and be genuine. Your first statement was disingenuous at best...

My brother in law works IT. Guess what, he never claims to work for IBM. He works for a contractor and says so. Why is that hard?

Or don't, and keep having multiple page threads follow you around...

This. I just started working for a contractor for a certain government agency and although it would sound "cooler" to disclose that government agency as my employer, they are not and never will be. If I did there would be repercussions and I certainly don't want to do the carpet dance in front of the big brown desk anytime soon.
 
I have never said I work for FedEx. I have said I fly FedEx fright. To quote a BUNCH of you. Words have meaning.

I said "We have them at FedEx" whose airplane I fly (it says it in big purple and orange letters on the side), who put camera's in "their" airplane, that they own, that they kindly let me fly where they want me to go and when they want me to go. Nothing specific about my relationship with FedEx was stated or implied only that I have a nebulous relationship with FedEx to be determined.

Plus I am "technically Correct", the best type of correct. ;)

Whats this? Jump on Av8tr1 night?
Here’s my pile on: Lame. I flew feeders longer than I should have. Never once referred to myself as a “FedEx pilot”. Particularly egregious on a pilot forum.

Anywho, are those cameras going into every feeder operators?
 
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