In-house Delta Job Fair, October 20/21 2017

AAPalmTree said:
I would definitely want to head into the SLI in the left seat.
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Left seat numbers only matter as of merger announcement date April 4, 2016. Explained more down below...

BobDDuck said:
Your actual seat doesn't matter in an SLI. The seniority list your company submits to fill the slots once the actual order is determined doesn't get rewritten based on who is in what seat. There could be a long period of slow to no movement for a part of the seniority list after an SLI (see: Southwest FOs) but your actual seniority won't be hurt.
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The seats occupied matters to a degree, but that's only true for the merger announcement date of April 4, 2016. At that point, say we have 325 CAs and 360 FOs. Where this can come into play is protection of pre-merger seats for any fence/downgrade scenarios the arbitrator may think of. This happened at Pinnacle/Colgan/Mesaba. So to use this hypothetical case of 325 CAs as of April 4th merger date, an arbitrator could make a condition/restriction such as: "No Alaska pilot may be awarded or displaced to an Airbus CA seat, unless Virgin America pilots maintain 325 Airbus CA seats."

As an example, Colgan had 193 Q400 CAs on merger announcement dates. For the SLI, one of the C&Rs was: No Pinnacle or Mesaba pilot may be awarded a Q400 CA slot, unless Colgan pilots maintain at least 193 Q400 CA seats.

Essentially, there is a chance the SLI arbitrators can use staffing numbers as of announcement date to "protect" each side of the merger for CA seats. So if Alaska had 900 CAs as of April 4th 2016, then the arbitrators could make a C&R: "No Virgin America pilot may be awarded or displaced to a Boeing CA seat unless Alaska pilots maintain 900 Boeing CA seats..."

Hope that makes sense.


AAPalmTree said:
That’s what I meant. Might be a long wait for upgrade.
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Most junior VX upgrade is Feb 2012. Most junior AS upgrade is July 2012.
Both have similar hiring sprees starting 2012 onwards.
I really think the FO portion of the SLI should shake out okay.


The update is that between January-July there will be 54 more upgrades. That means the bid openings from October this year (effective January) through April next year (effective July). I'm gonna keep an eye on how many go junior to me. I think if I can get ~25 below me to upgrade, that should be enough for a junior lineholder position most of the year. I may take that, and just bid as many 4-day trips with EWR/JFK overnights. So my new plan (for now) is to hold off a couple more months, and get in on the action at the tail end of those 54 upgrades.
 
sorrygottarunway said:
Question re: integration... Was the Bloch (sp?) award at Pinnacle/Mesaba/Colgan based on some algorithm of "seniority + category" - as in some pilots that may have been in a higher (pay) category i.e. CRJ900CA made out better than a senior pilot that was Saab340-CA? I'm probably remembering it wrong.
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It was a category/class method that stovepipes the pilots onto the list. You'll never jump anyone at your own airline. The first category was CRJ900 CAs. That doesn't mean you take all the CRJ-900 CAs and make them at the top of the list. What happens is you identify the total number of CRJ 900 CAs at each airline. As of merger announcement date, Pinnacle had 100, Mesaba had 272, and Colgan had 0. So the first 372 pilots on the new seniority list are the FIRST 272 Mesaba pilots and the FIRST 100 Pinnacle pilots, starting with a Mesaba pilot, in a 2.72 : 1 ratio. There's no Colgan pilots in this category.

So the new list has the first 372 pilots start as Mesaba, Mesaba, Pinnacle, Mesaba, Mesaba, Pinnacle, etc. etc.

The #1 Mesaba guy may actually have been a Saab 340 CA. It doesn't matter.

The next category was CRJ-200 CAs and Q400 CAs. I don't recall the exact numbers, but say, like 125 CRJ-200 Captains at Mesaba, 450 at Pinnacle, and 193 at Colgan. 125+450+193 = 768.

So after the first 372 pilots in the first category are done, the next category comes. As in: The next 768 pilots on the list will be the next 125 Mesaba, next 450 Pinnacle, and first 193 Colgan pilots, starting with a Mesaba pilot, in a ratio of 1.25 : 4.5 : 1.93

And stovepipe continues.

For these types of SLIs, it's in your best interest to have the higher category jets (bigger) and have more numbers of those.

In this case, Boeings and Airbuses will pay the same. No widebodies. I can't say how the SLI goes, but it should be straightforward with AS winning a significant benefit for much higher longevity and bringing the higher paying contract.
 
AAPalmTree said:
I think a lot of people thought the same about 9E and their SLI. If it was up to me, I’d do everything I could to safeguard myself. These never turn out like you want or think.
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If you think you're going to get screwed, and plan for that eventuality, than they should be fine.
 
AAPalmTree said:
I think a lot of people thought the same about 9E and their SLI. If it was up to me, I’d do everything I could to safeguard myself. These never turn out like you want or think.
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That's true. IMO a part of that was the absolute screw job the 9E committee proposed. They said categories of Jet CA's, Jet FOs, Prop CAs, Prop FOs. So the first Colgan pilot wouldn't show up on the list until below the most junior pre-merger 9E FO. You can't overrreach like that and expect a good result.

What I wanna know is why pilot merger committees even bother arguing each other for a SLI method. No one is going to agree. Just send it straight to arbitration. Save the fights, the arguments, the PO'edness. We have $1 million out of our pockets for the SLI fund. A million from just ~700 pilots. The AS pilot group also collected a million from their group for SLI, but they are more than double our size. We all have money invested in this. It also seems ALPA merger policy is designed to send it to arbitration so ALPA can walk away clean and point to the arbitrators. No one there wants another DFR lawsuit, because the last one with TWA cost them a pretty penny. ALL recent mergers went through arbitrators for a binding SLI, except AirTran and SWA because SWAPA and SW management.
 
Derg said:
I know. And the guy that came up with that, at Comair, tried to have me fired when I said, "LOL, Riiiiiiiiiight…"

Remember? :)
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Sales folk are interesting people. They operate in a completely different orbit than practically anyone else, and there are seemingly no consequences in their world...well, for them that is.
 
I just got an invite for a slot on Friday for the job fair. Thankfully I finish a trip tomorrow night. Can anyone possibly look over my resume to see if there’s any mistakes I may have missed?
 
phill1174 said:
I just got an invite for a slot on Friday for the job fair. Thankfully I finish a trip tomorrow night. Can anyone possibly look over my resume to see if there’s any mistakes I may have missed?
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Curious? How did you come across this "slot"? Did you register on the website and get put on a waiting list?


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I’m not gonna post the guy’s name, y’all can go look it up yourselves, but wow! Some more self immolation.


Who is in charge of creating these posts? Every post for the most part has in some shape or form negativity inserted into them. If it is not criticizing someone that got creative with the logo and saying Delta is the golden ticket( like if they were better than anyone else, or if they were the only airline pilots can work for) News flash you guys need us big time! So if anything we are the golden ticket. Now saying that their throats hurt from talking to so many people as if it was some sort of a nuisance to talk to future employees and do what they get paid to do which is exactly that as part of the recruitment process. What is your point in saying that your throat is hurting which is a complete exaggeration and nothing but a lie and even if it wasnt who cares if it does?

And this is why flows are no bueno. No ability to weed the garden.
 
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