In-house Delta Job Fair, October 20/21 2017

mastermags said:
What do you mean when you say that? Like you enjoy being in a cockpit and doing the flying, but you hate being in the airlines doing it? Or you just hate the hiring methods?
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I love the flying. I'm proud of the job. I'm excited to show up to work. I even enjoy the lifestyle. However, I can't stand the "business." The politics, the union stuff, the RLA, the companies manipulating the public to get the law on their side, their willingness to spend $900 mil to avoid raising pay by $100mil, the protectionism, the seniority...
... but most especially, I can't stand the laughable stupidity that leads to pilot groups deriding other pilot groups on the perceived bases of values, skills, proficiency, or successes. That leads to pilots flipping off competing pilots on the ramp (!). That leads to MAJOR AIRLINE pilots sipping from their brandy snifters, pinkies out, exclaiming how garish it is for a lowly, entitled regional pilot to dare to think he's eligible to work at a MAJOR AIRLINE just because he's been doing the job as a subcontractor, flying their passengers under their brand for twenty years!

Meh.

I typed a lot more, but deleted it. You get the idea. I think there are a lot of guys at majors who legitimately think they're of a different strata than regional pilots. I think there are a lot of guys at various airlines who think that the pilots at $OTHER_AIRLINES are lesser.

I think it's stupid to apply meritocratic value judgment to a strictly seniority- and credentials-based system, and that people who allow themselves to do so are participating in a shared delusion.

The whole thing is ridiculous.

-Fox
 
Acrofox said:
I love the flying. I'm proud of the job. I'm excited to show up to work. I even enjoy the lifestyle. However, I can't stand the "business." The politics, the union stuff, the RLA, the companies manipulating the public to get the law on their side, their willingness to spend $900 mil to avoid raising pay by $100mil, the protectionism, the seniority...
... but most especially, I can't stand the laughable stupidity that leads to pilot groups deriding other pilot groups on the perceived bases of values, skills, proficiency, or successes. That leads to pilots flipping off competing pilots on the ramp (!). That leads to MAJOR AIRLINE pilots sipping from their brandy snifters, pinkies out, exclaiming how garish it is for a lowly, entitled regional pilot to dare to think he's eligible to work at a MAJOR AIRLINE just because he's been doing the job as a subcontractor, flying their passengers under their brand for twenty years!

Meh.

I typed a lot more, but deleted it. You get the idea. I think there are a lot of guys at majors who legitimately think they're of a different strata than regional pilots. I think there are a lot of guys at various airlines who think that the pilots at $OTHER_AIRLINES are lesser.

I think it's stupid to apply meritocratic value judgment to a strictly seniority- and credentials-based system, and that people who allow themselves to do so are participating in a shared delusion.

The whole thing is ridiculous.

-Fox
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Don't confuse "current company" with "the business".

Think of it like moving to the Bay Area. There are Athertons and there are Richmonds.

There is upward mobility, you just have to figure out the path and most paths aren't convenient.
 
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I once worked with a flight attendant who loved everything about her job but the passengers. Her words, “This would be the most awesome job ever, if only there weren’t any passengers to deal with.”

We told her that what she was describing was called “cargo hauling” and there would be no need for her to be there, as boxes didn’t need a flight attendant.
The FO asked her where she thought the money to cover her paycheck came from.
“Duh, payroll.”
“But where do they get it?”
“From management.”

It only went downhill from there.
 
Cptnchia said:
I once worked with a flight attendant who loved everything about her job but the passengers. Her words, “This would be the most awesome job ever, if only there weren’t any passengers to deal with.”

We told her that what she was describing was called “cargo hauling” and there would be no need for her to be there, as boxes didn’t need a flight attendant.
The FO asked her where she thought the money to cover her paycheck came from.
“Duh, payroll.”
“But where do they get it?”
“From management.”

It only went downhill from there.
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"Ameriflight now hiring flight attendants! Job duties include showing up to work, playing with a SkyPro in the jumpseat and panicking every 19th of the month when the bids come out. No other duties required"
 
Derg said:
"Ameriflight now hiring flight attendants! Job duties include showing up to work, playing with a SkyPro in the jumpseat and panicking every 19th of the month when the bids come out. No other duties required"
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That made me lol.... because its true.
 
Derg said:
Don't confuse "current company" with "the business".

Think of it like moving to the Bay Area. There are Athertons and there are Richmonds.

There is upward mobility, you just have to figure out the path and most paths aren't convenient.
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To put this in perspective, I think @Acrofox just went on a rant that is the equal of explaining the evils of capitalism, and about how a socialist economic system would benefit everyone if we just realized that we're being manipulated by the owners of capital, and you responded by telling him how capitalism can provide so many great opportunities for him if he only allied himself with the owners of capital.
 
Acrofox said:
I love the flying. I'm proud of the job. I'm excited to show up to work. I even enjoy the lifestyle. However, I can't stand the "business." The politics, the union stuff, the RLA, the companies manipulating the public to get the law on their side, their willingness to spend $900 mil to avoid raising pay by $100mil, the protectionism, the seniority...
... but most especially, I can't stand the laughable stupidity that leads to pilot groups deriding other pilot groups on the perceived bases of values, skills, proficiency, or successes. That leads to pilots flipping off competing pilots on the ramp (!). That leads to MAJOR AIRLINE pilots sipping from their brandy snifters, pinkies out, exclaiming how garish it is for a lowly, entitled regional pilot to dare to think he's eligible to work at a MAJOR AIRLINE just because he's been doing the job as a subcontractor, flying their passengers under their brand for twenty years!

Meh.

I typed a lot more, but deleted it. You get the idea. I think there are a lot of guys at majors who legitimately think they're of a different strata than regional pilots. I think there are a lot of guys at various airlines who think that the pilots at $OTHER_AIRLINES are lesser.

I think it's stupid to apply meritocratic value judgment to a strictly seniority- and credentials-based system, and that people who allow themselves to do so are participating in a shared delusion.

The whole thing is ridiculous.

-Fox
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i'm confused, you don't even have a union.
 
Derg said:
Don't confuse "current company" with "the business".

Think of it like moving to the Bay Area. There are Athertons and there are Richmonds.

There is upward mobility, you just have to figure out the path and most paths aren't convenient.
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Current company is actually about as good to me as any company I've ever worked for. Obviously any employer managing pilots is going to be a bit like a daycare in some ways, because ... well, pilots... but so far I've been treated extremely well at my shop and have no major complaints aside from pay.

We're not Richmond, we're sure as heck not Atherton ... we're more like an honest Sunnyvale. Or, given our size, maybe a San José, with the gentrified E-175 parts and the seedy CRJ parts.

I was once invited to a team party in Atherton by the captain of my hockey team. I drove there, but found that he lived in a gated mansion inside a gated community with a moat around it.

I left.

I'm not seeking upward mobility, not directly. I'm clearly a soliton, and I'm fine with that.

This isn't about me or my neighborhood. I can have friends from Richmond and friends from Atherton, but me, I'd prefer to live out in a cabin in the woods... so that I don't have to listen to them complain about each other, for a start.

-Fox
 
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