Ayork62493
GBR
I just have low expectations, if what they're saying happens do they intend to attract that many pilots based on reputation and bases alone? Because honestly, I think that's what we have right now.
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I just have low expectations, if what they're saying happens do they intend to attract that many pilots based on reputation and bases alone? Because honestly, I think that's what we have right now.
Cloud Surfer
All Roads lead to Trantor
Yeah honestly there's nothing holding me back from leaving if I get an offer from an LCC or ACMI. Better to wait out a legacy there and make more money in the process.
Autothrust Blue
Welcome aboard the Washington State Ferries
Having looked at that previously, I will say this: do upgrade here if you get the opportunity.
It's a different job.
tcco94
Future GTA VI Pilot
Your pay is low for year 1. Need to look beyond that. The PPS and performance bonuses make pay here much better than a bottom feeder regional that's going to give you a heavy taxable check of $20,000
It's pretty simple in my eyes. Fast upgrade (If you want it and have time) or a better QOL for those who live and want to stay west coast at a regional. You can pick both here. That's why our classes consistently fill up.
If your goal is to commute and make lots of money as an FO I wouldn't come here personally. Certainly I'd like more money as an FO but I'm already year 1 and with the cadet program getting performance rewards. I'm 6 months in and can already obtain SLC/SFO/MSP and got a composite line next month in SLC that will only have a few reserve days added on. If I wanted something better I would sit 103/290 in DTW or hold a line (rather bad one) in ORD. Lots of options.
While my buds are going to sit reserve months longer at Envoy because recruiters gave them false information and aren't even close to the horizon of holding a line. I don't know about Endeavor but I'm pretty sure their bases take longer to get and all new hires commute to New York? No way. Not worth the paycheck.
If you live and want to stay west coast, I don't see why anyone wouldn't pick Skywest. Just my personal opinion. If you don't mind venturing out east or commuting for years, go for it. This isn't the place to make the most money as an FO but at least I don't have to worry when Trumpy goes into a war if my job will still be here (knock on wood). 6 months and I've moved up to 3800 out of 4300 pilots. Not bad at all.
Some days aren't the best commuting to reserve for 3 months was a drag but I'm absolutely happy with my choice and if I could do it over I wouldn't change anything. If I complained about sitting reserve 3 months to my Capts. they'd laugh their a** off. Every day is a dream come true. To drive to work and wake up with the mountains out of my window as a new FO at a regional? How can I?! Pay isn't that bad. I'd rather have my life than $14,000 after taxes bonuses to be over on the east coast. Just me. Hope that helps.
Also, no commuter clauses. What we have now is good. Not really sold on a union either. Does ALPA really do much for the regionals? Just outweigh your options and look at everything. A LOT more than pay. What I said you might disagree with and the excuse for "I'm going to mainline in 1-2 years"...well good luck to those fellas. Lol.
Ayork62493
GBR
Here's to hoping for the opportunity to upgrade somewhere other than detriot. If it ever comes down again in Minneapolis you can bet I will pick my bags and move there immediately. In Denver, the chances of upgrading within six years from now aren't great.
Subject to change tomorrow
Autothrust Blue
Welcome aboard the Washington State Ferries
I allllmost did go to DTW.
ProtegePilot
Bid Avoids driving the Deuce
I was offered a DTW upgrade slot back in December and said no to it because of how my standing bid got screwed up and a cleverly worded email to TG. Sorry, for me not worth the extra 20-30 grand to deal with that misery over there.
Also, anyone slightly suspicious of the timing of RJ's Reserve ReWrite™ email just before voting opens on the TA?
Autothrust Blue
Welcome aboard the Washington State Ferries
You're welcome (and it's not HIS rewrite).
B767
Well-Known Member
To make a short story long:
With a clause that says, say, two flights, you might have to try to commute out a night early. Previous company required proof that you tried multiple flights. OO has no clause and there's no fuss if you try one flight and miss it with a large caveat that you don't abuse that. You can't be calling in every week saying you missed your commute. You'll get a talking to. But if it's infrequent there's no questions asked and we don't have to have proof.
Hmm
Sounds kind of contrary to someone else on here that recently left SKW for QX. Gave himself 4 flights to get to a standup, couldn't make it, was "asked to resign"
Guess you don't get commuter rooms then, if you're allowed to attempt to show up with 1 flight. Probably cheaper for them to put a reserve on your flying and not pay you than provide hotels a few times a month
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ComplexHiAv8r
Well-Known Member
I think lack of communication related to the issue was part of the problem.
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But if you truly only need 1 flight to get to work, what difference would it make? Your only option arrives 5 min before report. You don't make it, the flight you were to operate gets canceled. I'm not sure how the pilot wins anything in that situation with management
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purpel
Well-Known Member
No offense at all. I'm happy you get to live at home and see the mountains.
As a young aviator who has been here longer at OO then you I am so disappointed to see they way you justify working for less just because of your shortsightedness.
When your friends are at American and you can maybe hold CA in SLC or take the most junior upgrade available you will understand what most of us are trying to fight against which is always having to justify working for less at the expense of the aviation industry.
The reason most want to work for a legacy is because of what ALPA has created and most of us at OO will be getting invited to the table that they have fought long and hard to make a career job. Pretty much OO pilots want to eat at the big table at the expense of others... that's pathetic.
"Pay isn't that bad" let me talk to all my friends out of college who are making double with no experience in their first job that is non aviation related.
What is SLC selling nowadays? Because if it passes the drug test I would love to have what you are smoking.
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KSCessnaDriver
Well-Known Member
Tries to give advice about financial stuff, doesn't understand the difference between tax withholding and actual taxation rates...
tcco94
Future GTA VI Pilot
I just said why I picked this airline. I have nothing against the other regionals and picking for flow man. If that's you go for it. I don't think I'm being shortsighted at all. I have my apps in (premature obviously) and update them. I've worked everything in my life for a legacy and this airline does a good job at letting people go on. Upgrade times are lower than most of those regionals with flow as well. So I'm not sure why you think I'm being shortsighted. I'm sorry your experience has been bad at getting you to move on. I'm just saying as an FO I'm enjoying my life and that's why I picked here.
Don't get it confused with me voting yes for the contract because I'm not. They didn't sell me anything in SLC. I just wanted to live in the mountains. I get it though someone always wants to rain on a parade. Wishing you luck man.
tcco94
Future GTA VI Pilot
Geez some bitter folks around here. I wasn't giving any financial advice. Just stating the obvious. Didn't know we needed to be PC.
JDean3204
Well-Known Member
I had called Crew Sched two hours prior and informed them that flights were looking bad, they ended up not even giving me a sad because they were appreciative that I kept them in the loop at the first sign of trouble.... You're the second one to say communication was an issue, that was not it. I even called the BCP and told him that if a company bird hadn't left me in Portland I'd be there at the current time... I had a 9pm show and my first call to Crew Support was 7pm. During a normal day that is still two more flights between the city pair to catch a flight and be there prior to report. Not really sure how much more clearly one can commute an issue than that. I'm all ears if anyone has advice though
Maximilian_Jenius
Super User
That's good to know, because most major airports are always located near crimeville, or the warehouse/industrial area.
purpel
Well-Known Member
My experience hasn't been bad at all moving on. Raining on the parade is called having a discussion... I guess nowadays.
Also I'm not worried at all about moving on. I'm young and should be able to move on when my time comes.
Upgrade times are not lower then most regionals at all. Maybe do a little research before throwing out uninformed statements.
Thanks for the good luck though and I wish you good luck too. We are all in this together.
Funny thing is I have a great schedule next month with max days off and 85 plus credit. I don't hate this airline... I'm disappointed by everyone's attitude. Especially when I've worked hard to get where I am and people tell me I'm not worth what I know I am.
No one is bitter at all. Far from it. Most of us recognize how good we have it compared to previous generations, but some of your posts on here and APC just read so misinformed.
Also realize with this pay package we have 4300 pilots and this sets the standard for our fellow aviators to have to work against or use as leverage. I don't want to be embaressed by lowering the bar instead of raising it.
Sorry if this sounds bitter, but I've said my .02