Skywest Questions

What new aircraft and contracts? Nowhere in the TA did it state anything about new aircraft being contingent upon the TA's passage. Most of us (rightly) suspect that new bases and aircraft will be coming at the unfortunate expense of ExpressJet in spite of the TA. Someone has to do that flying--probably we and Endeavor. This TA is indeed a huge insult like you said and I am in amazement that I encounter pilots here who deem it to be "not bad".



Do me a favor and read the meat of the TA email from Tracy.. the middle two paragraphs are all about , growth, profitability and the "Perhaps" statement is just precious. It doesn't explicitly say contracts and they won't say that, ever. Especially since they've signed ND statements on the contract talks...

The tone is what says that we should vote this in to help the company grow which is in our favor. It's a very strong tone. Especially with the follow up Myth V Fact, and Russ' email.
 
Do me a favor and read the meat of the TA email from Tracy.. the middle two paragraphs are all about , growth, profitability and the "Perhaps" statement is just precious. It doesn't explicitly say contracts and they won't say that, ever. Especially since they've signed ND statements on the contract talks...

The tone is what says that we should vote this in to help the company grow which is in our favor. It's a very strong tone. Especially with the follow up Myth V Fact, and Russ' email.

Yes, I see that. But where does it explicitly say what is in store for us? I keep hearing 120 aircraft divided into CRJ 900s and E175s. Where is this all coming from? It's nothing more than scare tactics and guilt tripping by our management to get us to vote yes. Same tactics as they have used before.
 
Yes, I see that. But where does it explicitly say what is in store for us? I keep hearing 120 aircraft divided into CRJ 900s and E175s. Where is this all coming from? It's nothing more than scare tactics and guilt tripping by our management to get us to vote yes. Same tactics as they have used before.

Why do they even require your input on such things? You guys have no representation. Vote no on this faux contract and trust me, the jets are still coming. Why the need for such a production?
 
Question for you? Why would anyone in today's world, want to go to SkyWest. Over say a union wholly owned? Ya'll's pay is low, lack of sizable bonus. Low starting pay? No union or even commuting policy. Commuter hotels. Or even the weak carrot of a flow.

No shade to my OO friends. But your management has to seriously step it up. In today's world and money, the WO seems to be where it is at. All subject to change of course without notice.

I am coming up on two months from having the hours so its about time to drop my apps. I personally am targeting Skywest because they have an SFO base (even though I'll be commuting for a while initially). I have also grown up flying this airline being from San Diego and have heard a lot of good things about the pilot group, QOL, etc. over the years.

I agree with you on the above issues being potential negatives but the positives and the west coast bases are outweighing them in my situation. Of course Skywest is not the only game on the west coast and I may not live in the Bay Area forever, so these potential issues are not meaningless to me.

Back to the theme of the thread, "Skywest Questions", I want to ask the commuters at Skywest how the commuting policy (or lack thereof) affects your QOL. I don't remember a lot about Pinnacle's policy back years ago, other than showing up on time rested (meaning it was up to me to plan ahead and jumpseat, etc. to get there having a plan A, B, C, and D, to make sure).
 
Back to the theme of the thread, "Skywest Questions", I want to ask the commuters at Skywest how the commuting policy (or lack thereof) affects your QOL. I don't remember a lot about Pinnacle's policy back years ago, other than showing up on time rested (meaning it was up to me to plan ahead and jumpseat, etc. to get there having a plan A, B, C, and D, to make sure).
I believe "someone" wrote something about this earlier.

Wait, let me quote "someone":
Like almost everything else in this business, it's worth taking moderately seriously. I commuted to reserve when I started at the previous airline; I've only commuted briefly here or as a one-off ("let's try this flying out of here") sort of arrangement. I walked on eggshells when I did it at the previous employer, being on probation—I did NOT want to miss an assignment and have to explain that.

I commuted to SFO ER7 briefly before upgrade out of LAX; that was less than fun and reminded me why I didn't like commuting to DFW EMJ in a previous life. Most every day out to DFW I had to be in the night before, although proffering was awesome and so was getting morning short call when I couldn't get a proffer award. Dunno what I would've done with NYC, other than cry on the jumpseat for 5+ hours on end and not go home on anything less than 3 days off. It sucked. It was an experience, though, and there were bits of it that I enjoyed.

Regarding scary stuff/nerves: something of a rambling discussion on the topic follows:

In our current competitive environment, anything that causes a controllable cancellation gets serious attention. And not showing for a flight assignment with not enough notice to recrew it, resulting in an absolutely controllable cancellation, is going to get serious attention too. (Imagine the cartoon snowball being pushed off the top of the mountain, gaining speed and size, and so on—by the time it reaches you, it's collected dirt, rocks, and sticks and is nasty.)

As I've discussed at least once before (although I'm pretty sure the thread was deleted after @Derg got a legal threat from a n-th generation Arizonan who was not taking said responsibility seriously), reserve is a job like any others, and it is to be accomplished responsibly; you are not called when things are going right, you're called in to make it work when they're not. On this subject, the needs of the many (not cancelling the flight) outweigh the needs of the one (I need to work). Calling in honest sucks, but the business is to load the people into the airplane and take them to the destination safely and on time (as able). Unfortunately, I can't move the airplane from my couch in my pajama pants and neither can you, as awesome as that would be - gotta be there to do it. Living in base as I do, I do a lot of reserve in said pajamas, but not everyone can or does do so. It's a pain. There are ways to make it better, but the basic professional responsibility remains the same.

(The Division goal is [or was, the last time I paid attention] to achieve a rate of controllable pilot crew-related cancellations of under 1 in 10,000 operations, if you were curious; with approximately 2,300 daily departures, this means a rate of well under 1 per day and works out to just over one per week.)

A scheduling aside: One of the fallacies of Long Call is that it's 'better' than Short Call, to which I say "eh, well, maybe, but this is highly circumstantial and depends on the pairing mix and how close you live to work." LCR in EM2 LAX was cakewalk. LCR in any category with SDOs is not a winning proposition for me, since the LCR is the only pilot who can be reliably assigned one.

(This month in MSP I'm not touching LCR with a 10' pole because of the number of SDOs in the pairing package, for instance.)

I do, however, want a commuter clause so that everything is spelled out V-E-R-Y C-L-E-A-R-L-Y if no other reason than it makes handling this consistent; out in MSP/DTW, the expected good faith commute effort is two flights before your showtime, but your mileage with your chief will vary. Clear expectations and rules are in the interest of BOTH sides of the table.
I mean, today I wrote a paper and played video games, but I live 8 min from work, and my bag is packed, so.
 
I am coming up on two months from having the hours so its about time to drop my apps. I personally am targeting Skywest because they have an SFO base (even though I'll be commuting for a while initially). I have also grown up flying this airline being from San Diego and have heard a lot of good things about the pilot group, QOL, etc. over the years.

I agree with you on the above issues being potential negatives but the positives and the west coast bases are outweighing them in my situation. Of course Skywest is not the only game on the west coast and I may not live in the Bay Area forever, so these potential issues are not meaningless to me.

Back to the theme of the thread, "Skywest Questions", I want to ask the commuters at Skywest how the commuting policy (or lack thereof) affects your QOL. I don't remember a lot about Pinnacle's policy back years ago, other than showing up on time rested (meaning it was up to me to plan ahead and jumpseat, etc. to get there having a plan A, B, C, and D, to make sure).

Do yourself a favor. Move out of your place sell all your stuff and go to training. Plan on living in ORD. After 3 months or so in ORD you can move back to SFO. By then you may not want to.

I did this and I didn't work at all in May because of the novelty. This month I am working 11 days and crediting over 100 hrs.

Commuting is brutal and not only that you lose your ability to pick up open time trips on your day off.


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Do yourself a favor. Move out of your place sell all your stuff and go to training. Plan on living in ORD. After 3 months or so in ORD you can move back to SFO. By then you may not want to.

I did this and I didn't work at all in May because of the novelty. This month I am working 11 days and crediting over 100 hrs.

Commuting is brutal and not only that you lose your ability to pick up open time trips on your day off.


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Married, not single, and spouse has the better paying job in SF. Otherwise that would totally be my plan.
 
Why do they even require your input on such things? You guys have no representation. Vote no on this faux contract and trust me, the jets are still coming. Why the need for such a production?

No idea, man. They can literally do whatever they want. I am all for having ALPA representation but there are many anti-union, pro-management types at SkyWest who will always stand steadfastly opposed to the notion.
 
Married, not single, and spouse has the better paying job in SF. Otherwise that would totally be my plan.

I'd recommend the first flight of the day out of SFO to start. There are like 8 to ORD but not all of them are United. And no one teaches you how to jump on someone else's metal.

Also parking at SFO isn't exactly free. And commuting for two days to be home for one.




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Isn't that the equivalent of living on Martin Luther King Jr. BLVD. or Parkway in any city USA?
I wouldn't call Bloomington that, at all.
Not in the great city of Minneapolis! Downtown St. Paul is super close and it's a great place.
See above; ditto Edina. Although I prefer suburbia, myself, I still have things walking distance.
 
Much appreciated, now if only we could just find some of them reserves layin around
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Question for you? Why would anyone in today's world, want to go to SkyWest. Over say a union wholly owned? Ya'll's pay is low, lack of sizable bonus. Low starting pay? No union or even commuting policy. Commuter hotels. Or even the weak carrot of a flow.

No shade to my OO friends. But your management has to seriously step it up. In today's world and money, the WO seems to be where it is at. All subject to change of course without notice.

That.
 
I'd recommend the first flight of the day out of SFO to start. There are like 8 to ORD but not all of them are United. And no one teaches you how to jump on someone else's metal.

It's funny, it was only a year ago I was rocking that commute.. it feels like forever.

I always bid PM reserve and hit the redeyes—there was a block of three, this time last year, and most of them were dual-js airplanes.

If I missed the last four flights of the day (never did), there was always a super early flight that would get me there before my RAP began. I'd percolate into the crashpad and hide in sleep from the evil light of day.

Worked out nicely.

-Fox
 
I'm a "yes" vote, for the record. I've heard lots of opinions from lots of people, but I'm in favor on its merits alone, without speculation for or against.

I'll be surprised if it passes, though.

-Fox
 
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