TEB crash 5/15/17

The circle is definitely an eye opener. That ride must have been horrific for the pilots, gave me chills seeing that picture.
Was just there yesterday and have a crew headed up there tomorrow.

RIP

Bp244
 
They did say they found a wing in a near by building if I remember the report earlier. My guess they hit the building before this pic and sheared the wing
 
I just absolutely relish the notion of sitting down with some junk-bond billionaire and explaining to them, with pictures and everything, how I, their eminently qualified chauffeur, am allowed (nay, encouraged) to do things with their skylimo which the Gummint has decided are too dangerous to do with a bus-load of inconsequential peasants.
 
They did say they found a wing in a near by building if I remember the report earlier. My guess they hit the building before this pic and sheared the wing
After looking at that image I'm going to disagree, the airplane appears to have both wings. Not to mention the Lear wing is one piece, it's bolted to the bottom of the fuselage. Hard to imagine them stressing it hard enough to break it that close to landing, if my old brain recalls correctly it has 7 spars, not exactly flimsy.
 
Our local news "There was nobody onboard the plane." Banner text: "2 dead in NJ plane crash"

:bang:


We do the same thing at the home-drome, but the ILS is on RW3, and we land on RW1. It's not so far off.
 
Every time I'm at school I ask for real world circles but instead we get Kjfk or kmem, places we'll obviously never get a circle but the graphics look pretty and apparently that's what the federales care about.
 
Are you suggesting that doing the 4L at JFK circle to 31R and "turn over the cartoon factory" or (my personal favorite) "hit the timer and turn 045 at 30 seconds" isn't Read-World? Sir, I believe you might be endangering the profits of a successful Murican Enterprise! To the Camps with him.

Not much different from the response at Fsi and Cae. I've got a JFK trip next month. I'm going to request 4l circle to 31r, see how hard I'm laughed at.
 
It's a visual maneuver, so not subject to TERPS restrictions on circling, at least as I understand it. The nomenclature should probably be "N123XY, field in sight" "N123XY, cleared visual runway 1", although to my recollection, that's not the terminology in use.

It comes down to stable approach. It's drilled in our heads in every training event and nothing about that approach is stable.
 
Define stable, nothing about that approach is stable?

Sure, if I'm flying a 172 into some random west Texas airfield it's probably no problem, but flying commercial ops in high performance airplanes with tight spacing, ground obstructions, base tailwinds, blind spots. Not stable. Not necessary
 
Having never done this, how does this approach compare to something like the expressway to LGA or JFK circles or DCA river Visuals?
 
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