Hawaiian Window Opening (Feb 8th)
- Thread starter BobDDuck
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CRJDriver
Well-Known Member
Ouch!
cmhumphr
Well-Known Member
I completed my first year at HAL about 3 months ago. Still don't know how I managed it but it is extremely difficult, even just taking care of myself. I recommend going on CraigsList and finding a room to rent (typically good places at 750-1000 bucks). Buy an island beater as your transportation and you should be set.
ppragman
No pasa nada.
Legitimately, I loved living in Hawaii - we're back in Alaska now (mostly because family is here and Hawaii is expensive and I missed AK), but if I would have had the opportunity to do Hawaiian (unlikely without 121 or jet time) I would take it. Sure the first year will suck, but it's the best brand I've ever seen, the best flying (717 is all short hops and cool inter-island stuff) and while there are aspects of that could certainly be improved (first year pay, some of the contractual stuff, etc) I'd say it's probably one of the best places to work in the country from the outside looking in.
It's not easy to get on there, but as far as I'm concerned, it is legitimately one of the coolest companies around. The only thing I think compares is holding the SE AK line at Alaska Airlines (and that doesn't seem as fun having done both types of flying). They're culture is cool, they allow beards, and they have badass flying to cool destinations. The amount of variation in the flying in Hawaii proper is enough to be interesting while offering the international destinations and mainland destinations if you get bored.
It's not easy to get on there, but as far as I'm concerned, it is legitimately one of the coolest companies around. The only thing I think compares is holding the SE AK line at Alaska Airlines (and that doesn't seem as fun having done both types of flying). They're culture is cool, they allow beards, and they have badass flying to cool destinations. The amount of variation in the flying in Hawaii proper is enough to be interesting while offering the international destinations and mainland destinations if you get bored.
z987k
Well-Known Member
I'd sure love to snowbird it in Hawaii every year.
ppragman
No pasa nada.
You're app is in, right?[/QUOTE]
Not right now, unfortunately, but seriously, those of you out there thinking about going to work there, I've never seen so many smiling flight crews. At least try.
ppragman
No pasa nada.
Once upon a time that was my plan. I would have totally dug doing summers up in AK, commute down for short hops in the 717, live on a boat at Ala Wai harbor, then in the winter Big Island.
Cessnaflyer
Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
For mine, there was a button that copied it over. The problem is it also still has my old resume in there as well that it wouldn't let me delete.
mastermags
Well-Known Member *giggity*
A Delta flight attendant on the tram in LAS told me she had heard from a mechanic that Delta was going to purchase Hawaiian, but she hadn't heard anything recently. So, yes?
I didn't even make that up.
snOOp
Well-Known Member
Thanks for the response.
For some reason I do not get that option (Microsoft Word).
However thank you for the response back and best of luck to you moving forward with Hawaiian.
Mahalo
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
Contract Duration
5 year, 3 month (April 1st 2017- July 1st 2022).
1 year (July 1st, 2021) early opener.
Fixed increases on 4/1/17 and 10/1/17 and then 2% on 10/1/18, 2% on 10/1/19, 2% on 10/1/20, 3% on 10/1/21 and 3% on 4/1/22.
Retroactive Pay
Retroactive pay from October 1st 2015--with an increase in October 1st 2016, to March 31st 2017, based on industry rates at those dates.
Payed to all pilots for every month they were available, based on what seat and longevity they held during that month.
Paid at 83 hours per month.
Pay is considered wages so it is pensionable and dues-able.
Section 1 - Scope
No change in Feeder scope (still limited to turboprop only, 69 or fewer seats).
Comprehensive code share language that protects world wide and aggregates multiple airlines and cities.
Section 3 – Compensation
I can't post the pay charts yet, but they are out there. Raises on October 1st, 2017 are between 20% and 45%. Raises over the life of the contract are between 36% and 86% depending on fleet and seat. There was also an adjustment to the FO curve for years 2-5 increasing the percentage slightly.
No change to first year pay as of now. Company has the right to move the pay upward as they want. They are, apparently, still getting plenty of applicants, although we'll see for how long.
Section 4 – Trip Rig and MFGC
Trip rig moves from 1:4 to 1:3.5, which is pretty much industry standard. Adds up to 4+ hours to some 5 day trips.
Minimum Flight Grouping Credit, pays 4:10 per calendar day away from domicile. Starts 8/1/19.
Section 9 - Recurrent Training
Pay and credit for recurrent training has been increased from 4:00 hours per day to 4:10 per day.
Section 24 - Active Employee Health
Insurance premiums have increased slight. Capped at 19% (by 2020) with no more than a 3% increase YOY.
Company provided retiree health plan will end for current employees and be replaced with a Health Retirement Account (like an HSA) that the company will put in a chunk of money for every pilot such that it will equal 240K when they retire. For somebody retiring in 2045 that will end up being about 700K based on medical inflation. Funds are protected and in the pilot's name (like a 401k) and can be used for any eligible (per the IRS) medical expenses after age 65. Future new hires will receive an account with $5000 in it.
Miscellaneous
There are other less significant improvements and changes that will be explained at road shows and detailed later, including:
5 year, 3 month (April 1st 2017- July 1st 2022).
1 year (July 1st, 2021) early opener.
Fixed increases on 4/1/17 and 10/1/17 and then 2% on 10/1/18, 2% on 10/1/19, 2% on 10/1/20, 3% on 10/1/21 and 3% on 4/1/22.
Retroactive Pay
Retroactive pay from October 1st 2015--with an increase in October 1st 2016, to March 31st 2017, based on industry rates at those dates.
Payed to all pilots for every month they were available, based on what seat and longevity they held during that month.
Paid at 83 hours per month.
Pay is considered wages so it is pensionable and dues-able.
Section 1 - Scope
No change in Feeder scope (still limited to turboprop only, 69 or fewer seats).
Comprehensive code share language that protects world wide and aggregates multiple airlines and cities.
Section 3 – Compensation
I can't post the pay charts yet, but they are out there. Raises on October 1st, 2017 are between 20% and 45%. Raises over the life of the contract are between 36% and 86% depending on fleet and seat. There was also an adjustment to the FO curve for years 2-5 increasing the percentage slightly.
No change to first year pay as of now. Company has the right to move the pay upward as they want. They are, apparently, still getting plenty of applicants, although we'll see for how long.
Section 4 – Trip Rig and MFGC
Trip rig moves from 1:4 to 1:3.5, which is pretty much industry standard. Adds up to 4+ hours to some 5 day trips.
Minimum Flight Grouping Credit, pays 4:10 per calendar day away from domicile. Starts 8/1/19.
Section 9 - Recurrent Training
Pay and credit for recurrent training has been increased from 4:00 hours per day to 4:10 per day.
Section 24 - Active Employee Health
Insurance premiums have increased slight. Capped at 19% (by 2020) with no more than a 3% increase YOY.
Company provided retiree health plan will end for current employees and be replaced with a Health Retirement Account (like an HSA) that the company will put in a chunk of money for every pilot such that it will equal 240K when they retire. For somebody retiring in 2045 that will end up being about 700K based on medical inflation. Funds are protected and in the pilot's name (like a 401k) and can be used for any eligible (per the IRS) medical expenses after age 65. Future new hires will receive an account with $5000 in it.
Miscellaneous
There are other less significant improvements and changes that will be explained at road shows and detailed later, including:
- Temporary Check Airman and Instructor Placement -- to help cover growing and shrinking fleets
- Drug and Alcohol section enhancements -- better protections for pilots
- Red day pay premiums -- 150% pay for trips picked up on "red" days
- Use of electronic communications, and
Cessnaflyer
Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Looking good. I was taking to my contact a few days ago and he said that the internal letters of recommendation need to be emailed by them as well?
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
That was my understanding. They want a copy from you and a copy from the recommender.
