Part of their CPP with United
Maximilian_Jenius
Super User
Well yeah, I know. But You just got hired, right at C5? Is this part of new hire orientation?
Yes, so once you accept a class date you're allowed to take the Hogan assessment straight away. If you pass the Hogan you go to interview, if not, you get another chance in 12 months.
I think you get two tries and then you're out. Once you're in the pool of candidates, the date you would move on to United is based upon the date you received an offer from UAL, and your meeting the requirements with C5 (3k TT or 1k PIC/1yr)
The way I understand it, your DOH at Commutair has nothing to do with your sequence in moving on to UAL, unlike the AA wholly owned flows
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Maximilian_Jenius
Super User
Do you know if is the same way for XJT? I heard that they're guaranteeing 25% of all their new hire classes will have XJT people in it. But I haven't heard that you get to take the Hogan straight away upon accepting a class date.
I'm not sure how their CPP is worded, I honestly haven't looked at it (never considered XJT since they don't have any growth and was looking for somewhere I could upgrade in a reasonable amount of time)
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You better check into that wording and details... What you said is what C5 recruiting has been saying....
The first come first out is only for people not on the seniority list IE behind all 200ish current C5 pilots, otherwise you get selected out of the pool based on seniority DOH... Per a UAL HR rep at WAI. It all sounded convulted and I haven't continued doing research on it. YMMV
The first come first out is only for people not on the seniority list IE behind all 200ish current C5 pilots, otherwise you get selected out of the pool based on seniority DOH... Per a UAL HR rep at WAI. It all sounded convulted and I haven't continued doing research on it. YMMV
Max Power
Well-Known Member
Of course it's convoluted, it's Commutair. It's how we roll.
That's how it was explained to me, and relevant to those who are considering C5 since they're not on the seniority list. If this is incorrect, and someone has experience with this, feel free to chime in
I don't know details on how many move on in a month/year etc, as I've heard all this from recruiting and they kind of went radio silent on me for about 2 weeks once I started asking about the Hogan...
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Maximilian_Jenius
Super User
Awesome... now how'd you do that? I heard the Hogan is hard.
Don't know, there's really no way of knowing the correct answers. It was a couple hundred statements either true or false, I don't think you can BS your way through it
Maximilian_Jenius
Super User
Can you study for it, though?
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
It's a personality test, not a knowledge test. That's like asking if you can study for the DSM.
Maximilian_Jenius
Super User
True, but it's a tricky test. They ask you the same question five different ways.
Anyway, not going to worry about it, as that is so far out in the future for me.
Max Power
Well-Known Member
I didn't make it past the Hogan, but one person who did said reading Hogans FAQs on their website helped. As said, you can't "study" for it, but striving for consistency in your answers is key. I've heard, not sure how true it is, that United has a group of current pilots take the Hogan every six months to determine what they are looking for.
Ahh yes, the people giving out gouge on how to "beat" the Minnesota Multiphase Personality Inventory.
Aye yi yi.
You're not.
People love to "self select".
Maximilian_Jenius
Super User
Still... I can't wait for the old days to return. You know when pilots hired pilots. And HR took a backseat.
Probably NEVER going to return. But still. . .
I'm a firm believer in the MMPI and the psych eval my friend!
Firrrrrrrrrrrrrmly believe not everyone needs to be at my shop.
errr… shoppe.
Maximilian_Jenius
Super User
I'm a firm believer in the MMPI and the psych eval my friend!
Firrrrrrrrrrrrrmly believe not everyone needs to be at my shop.
errr… shoppe.
Yeah definitely can see that. I can see where there would be a lot of narcissistic, sociopathic personalities, hiding under the so called guise of a Type-A personality.
Like anyone who wants to brag for hours in the cockpit, about how much money/ possessions he has. Is definitely nursing some sort egomania complex, as a defense mechanism in order, to mask their gaping chasm of feelings of inferiority, and low self esteem.
Just some numbers on the CPP that I received today from one of the guys in the training dept going to UAL most likely Q4 of this year:
Of the 180 pilots that were on the C5 list when the CPP was introduced, about half applied for the program. The Hogan about halved that number. After the interviews, there are approx 40 people in the program, and 10 are going this year in seniority order
After this point, any of the 50% that didn't apply initially basically let their window slip by. After the current 40 go to UAL, anyone hired and accepted into the CPP will be going in order of UAL interview date, regardless of C5 DOH
Of the 180 pilots that were on the C5 list when the CPP was introduced, about half applied for the program. The Hogan about halved that number. After the interviews, there are approx 40 people in the program, and 10 are going this year in seniority order
After this point, any of the 50% that didn't apply initially basically let their window slip by. After the current 40 go to UAL, anyone hired and accepted into the CPP will be going in order of UAL interview date, regardless of C5 DOH