bretthullrampage
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Word is MEC is sending the updated SSP/flow to pilot vote. No specifics, should get those soon.
PSA New Hire FO Classes Suspended
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chrisreedrules
Master Blaster
Heard today it is going up to 5, with incremental increases based on number of pilots on property to a max of 8. Personally, if that is true, I think it's still pretty worthless.
Maurus
The Great Gazoo
Here is where your argument really falls apart. There is no way attrition would remain the same with an increase in flow. It would cause an overall increase in attrition. Attrition will also increase as PSA grows as more pilots will be available to poach.
Only the very top of the list will sit back and wait for the flow. People with 6 months or more of a wait will definitely jump ship earlier for Delta or United if offered. Seniority is everything.
You also assume they will be able to hire what they need. They have done a good job at getting FOs on property but there is no guarantee that will be true in a year. RAH, XJT and such are having a hard time getting pilots. As the pool of new pilots continues to dry up it will be much harder for PSA to keep up with their hiring.
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bretthullrampage
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I assumed it would be disappointing. Hopefully they will start to let pilots interview off the street outside of the flow. I'd like to know there is at least a chance I could go to AA sooner than 10 years.
mastermags
Well-Known Member *giggity*
Agreed that people will go to Delta or United if offered, but that also assumes all attrition is to DAL or UAL. If someone's wait to go to AA drops from 12 years to 4 maybe that move to a LCC gets put off. It's all a crapshoot.
True statement.
The fact is that over the next 15 years there are 30,000 retirements just at AA, DAL, and UAL, and another 10,000 at FedEx, UPS, jB, AS, etc. I don't think there is a single person in the airline industry who knows what that's going to mean yet.
chrisreedrules
Master Blaster
If I was 2 years from flowing, I wouldn't hold out for a flow. I'd still take the first thing that came my way that was a place I would genuinely like to work at. Jet Blue, Spirit, or Frontier calls, bye bye regional. This industry is simply too volatile to hinge anything on a flow that takes that long. Too much changes too quickly.
chrisreedrules
Master Blaster
Currently hiring FOs. Company wants to hire 1,000 new pilots over the next 2 years. Currently there are about 900 active pilots on the seniority list, and about 1,300 total pilots on the seniority list. 1,700/2,000 is what the company wants when all of our growth is complete so we will still almost double in size. We have began taking deliveries of the Envoy 700s but that will halt for a while when we begin taking more factory new 900s in a couple months. 700s are scheduled to continue to be transferred once we have finished deliveries of the 900s. If we can staff beyond that, there are still options left for more 900s in the future. Our MEC just finished negotiating with management on a new TA that will purportedly include converting our preferential interview process to an actual no-interview flow with mainline American ala Piedmont and Envoy. And an increase in the number of pilots we flow every month. The details on that will be out in a couple of weeks. Training back log no longer exists. You won't be on reserve long, if at all if you come here. And if you have 1,000 121 SIC already you can upgrade to CA within a month or two. Purported new base is going to be CVG followed by the announcement of one or two more in 2016.
meyers9163
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Yes but how many have been waiting for that exact call and it hasn't happen yet?
chrisreedrules
Master Blaster
I've noticed more and more getting "the call". Most aren't waiting for any flow, they just want out.
grchase90
That's assistant to the Chief!
I love that fact that whenever I want to find something out about my company I can just logon on to jetcareers and search for @chrisreedrules. So glad you know everything that's going on. Definitely helps me make informed decisions when I vote...
Beep
Well-Known Member
Agreed that people will go to Delta or United if offered, but that also assumes all attrition is to DAL or UAL. If someone's wait to go to AA drops from 12 years to 4 maybe that move to a LCC gets put off. It's all a crapshoot.
True statement.
The fact is that over the next 15 years there are 30,000 retirements just at AA, DAL, and UAL, and another 10,000 at FedEx, UPS, jB, AS, etc. I don't think there is a single person in the airline industry who knows what that's going to mean yet.
Profit?!
chrisreedrules
Master Blaster
I can feel the sarcasm from here. Vote however you want, I don't care. I have my convictions, you have yours. Cheers!
chrisreedrules
Master Blaster
Yea seriously. What a lackluster crew base.
Blackhawk
Well-Known Member
Does CVG still have an airport?
cybourg12
Well-Known Member
Commuting is a choice. This coming from a guy that commuted for 8 years but I understood that it added time, money, and stress and I never got why others complained about the company not catering to commuters. We all checked the box the said we were willing to relocate when we appied for the job. There are a lot of nice areas within a 2 hour drive of CVG that have a cheap cost of living. Even for those that do commute CVG has a lot of options on Delta for an outstation base.