Dexter
Hop off there, Blonde Ambition Tour
And to be clear, it is those numbers or THE LESSER of 50%, 35%, or 25% given the specific pilot group you're in. A detail lots of guys like to leave out.
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And to be clear, it is those numbers or THE LESSER of 50%, 35%, or 25% given the specific pilot group you're in. A detail lots of guys like to leave out.
Beefy McGee
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5 flows per every 125 above 480... wow. So for a hypothetical 1000 pilot staffing level, they would flow 20-21 per month. If that is correct, wow.
(Edit: further thinking on that 5 per 125 rate means a 2000 pilot staffing level would equal 60/month flow, seems impossible to sustain or achieve that)
Meanwhile PSA will eventually have almost 2000 pilots but only be "flowing" 4 (SSP now) up to (hypothetically/rumored) 8 a month.
So why would new pilots continue to come to PSA once we get closer to the last aircraft delivery and upgrade times start to go back up?
Hopefully management wises up and works to figure a solution.
Edit: just saw the percentage stuff @Dexter added.
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chrisreedrules
Master Blaster
I could be mistaken but I think the language that management wanted was shot down by our MEC and will not be included in this new stuff.
chrisreedrules
Master Blaster
I agree. I don't think the paltry "flow" will do anything to attract new hires. That combined with the fact that the company is likely to open a couple more outstation bases instead of hubs and I think we are going to be in trouble in the next year.
Dexter
Hop off there, Blonde Ambition Tour
The base flow is 5 for new hires. They add 1 pilot to the flow for ever 125 more than 480 on the list. So 9 guys a month at a 1000 person airline if you were hired after the signing of the contract. It's almost like this flow stuff is purposefully convoluted huh?
Ziggyfuzz
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Gonzo
Well-Known Member
What? No way would AAG do anything like. Next thing you are going tell me is convoluted language was purposely written so that it will end up in arbitration at some point.
chrisreedrules
Master Blaster
I think the flows will work until they don't. Then they won't.
Gonzo
Well-Known Member
The problem is who's interpretation of "work until they don't".
Beefy McGee
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I do want a squirrel. Always thought a squirrel would be a cool pet. Teach it tricks, like how to water ski and all.
Beefy McGee
Well-Known Member
That makes much more sense.
surreal1221
Well-Known Member
Pilots who depend on a flow to accomplish their career goals are doing it wrong.
chrisreedrules
Master Blaster
Yyyeeeeeaaaaa brah
Maurus
The Great Gazoo
Flow is not intended for new people on property. It is meant to satiate the people at the top so they vote for a sub par contract. Expanding the flow by 1 or 2 people a month wont change much at this point. The sad thing is that they can't afford to allow a proper flow of people the leave every month because hiring and such can't keep up when adding the growth PSA is expecting.
There is no situation where a flow will ever be a benefit to an entire pilot group. It is unsustainable for anyone to approve such a thing.
There is no situation where a flow will ever be a benefit to an entire pilot group. It is unsustainable for anyone to approve such a thing.
I disagree. They've pretty much gone on record that they want to hire 1,000 pilots in the next two years. In that time they only need a net gain of 500 pilots to staff the currently advertised final fleet count. That means their staffing model is assuming loosing about 20/month, which is in line with current attrition numbers.
If the flow was a significant portion of that 20/month, I'm pretty certain that outside attrition would fall a similar amount.
In any event, since the other two wholly owned carriers are advertising a 5-7 year flow to mainline, having a much slow path at PSA isn't going to help hiring much.
In any event, we'll just have to wait until next month and see what the offer is. I'm semi pessimistic at this point.