Horizon

[thevideographer]

... I start at QX next friday Not going to worry about it because I knew the entire industry was a crapshoot when I got into it. There are worse places to be, right?

 

[SurferLucas]

... I start at QX next friday Not going to worry about it because I knew the entire industry was a crapshoot when I got into it. There are worse places to be, right?

Welcome to the QX team...there have been quite a few join since I did years ago

Which base are you shooting for?

 

[CirrusMonkey]

... I start at QX next friday Not going to worry about it because I knew the entire industry was a crapshoot when I got into it. There are worse places to be, right?

Congrats! The training here is the best.

 

[thevideographer]

Welcome to the QX team...there have been quite a few join since I did years ago

Which base are you shooting for?

Maybe GEG? ANC would be cool but I heard it's hard to get/would be on reserve for a while.

 

[ndakcfi]

Maybe GEG? ANC would be cool but I heard it's hard to get/would be on reserve for a while.

ANC does go pretty senior on the FO side, but you should be able to get it within a few months at the rate things are going.

I'd be somewhat cautious about any kind of commitment (like an apartment lease) to a base that isn't SEA, PDX, or ANC extending beyond this summer, since there's ongoing discussions about our basing structure, with a meeting being held in September that may result in some bases being downsized or closed outright.

As of now, nothing official has been announced regarding base closures, but MFR and GEG have both been losing airplanes over the last 12-18 months, so the general consensus among the pilot group at this point (based entirely on speculation) seems to be that MFR and GEG aren't looking good for staying open, but BOI has a fairly good chance of staying open due to the number of airplanes that overnight there.

 

[AZflyboy]

Hey do you guys know if Horizon has said or heard of anything related to implementing ATP written course? I'd sure love to fly for QXE it's a been a dream for awhile and love to end up back in the PNW. Thanks

 

[SurferLucas]

Hey do you guys know if Horizon has said or heard of anything related to implementing ATP written course? I'd sure love to fly for QXE it's a been a dream for awhile and love to end up back in the PNW. Thanks

I'll ask around when I get a chance to talk to our recruiting peoples

 

[thevideographer]

Hey do you guys know if Horizon has said or heard of anything related to implementing ATP written course? I'd sure love to fly for QXE it's a been a dream for awhile and love to end up back in the PNW. Thanks

They're taking people without the ATP written now. They will send you to a contractor for the CTP course.

 

[Hacker15e]

There was a guy in my interview class in February who was hired without the ATP written and was going to be sent to the CTP course.

 

[LaserRacer]

They're taking people without the ATP written now. They will send you to a contractor for the CTP course.

This... Not sure if the interview is any different, but it is definitely a possibility now to get hired without the written.

 

[AZflyboy]

I couldn't tag you guys for some reason but thank you I really appreciate it! Hope is still here lol

 

[pdxcfi]

Hey do you guys know if Horizon has said or heard of anything related to implementing ATP written course? I'd sure love to fly for QXE it's a been a dream for awhile and love to end up back in the PNW. Thanks

Apply. Worst they can do is say TBNT

 

[pdxcfi]

There was a guy in my interview class in February who was hired without the ATP written and was going to be sent to the CTP course.

Are you at QX now?

 

[pete2800]

Apparently Alaska plans to reduce the Q400 fleet by 20 airplanes in the next 5 years.

In order to be able to bid on replacement aircraft which would be E-jets... Horizon's costs need to come down by 28%. No, I didn't forget a decimal.

 

[Fearless]

Here's an excerpt from a message I just sent to our union leadership:

I have been working at Horizon for nearly XX years. During this time, I've been exposed to constant harassment from management implying that we are somehow overpaid or under-worked. Our benefits and 401(k) contributions have been whittled away, while our "pay raises" (if you want to call them that) can only be seen using a powerful microscope. What do you call a pay increase that doesn't cover the cost of living? It's called a "pay cut"!

Now, our management is coming back for another bite at the apple. So, we're being asked to make pay concessions and changes to our work rules so that that the company can MAYBE buy jets? Really?

In the last couple of months, I've seen the Delta pilots vote DOWN a TA, the Skywest pilots vote DOWN a TA, and the Republic pilots vote DOWN a TA. Not to mention, the Southwest flight attendants that just voted DOWN a TA. This tells me that the front-line employees (the people that do all the actual work) are tired of getting the crumbs off the corporate table while companies rake in a record amount of money. Our current CBA is more than adequate for the acquisition of new flying.

I encourage our union leadership to stand strong and not give in to management pressure. I suspect that the Air Group leadership is just jacking us around. If we give them what they want, they'll just buy some more jets for Skywest.

 

[Soku39]

Apparently Alaska plans to reduce the Q400 fleet by 20 airplanes in the next 5 years.

In order to be able to bid on replacement aircraft which would be E-jets... Horizon's costs need to come down by 28%. No, I didn't forget a decimal.

Sounds reasonsble.

 

[thevideographer]

Apparently Alaska plans to reduce the Q400 fleet by 20 airplanes in the next 5 years.

In order to be able to bid on replacement aircraft which would be E-jets... Horizon's costs need to come down by 28%. No, I didn't forget a decimal.

You didn't miss a decimal but you did misread the email. It says we need to cut 28% of the differential between us and Skywest, not total cost. That would be impossible.

Still, I think the pilots should say NO to any concessions whatsoever. I'm very disappointed that I've heard people involved with the union who seem to agree with the company that we need to cut costs in order to help out the airline. It simply doesn't make sense when regionals are fighting over pilots.

 

[CirrusMonkey]

You didn't miss a decimal but you did misread the email. It says we need to cut 28% of the differential between us and Skywest, not total cost. That would be impossible.

Still, I think the pilots should say NO to any concessions whatsoever. I'm very disappointed that I've heard people involved with the union who seem to agree with the company that we need to cut costs in order to help out the airline. It simply doesn't make sense when regionals are fighting over pilots.

Just out of curiosity, who in our union has sided with the company that we need to cut costs in order to help out the airline? I am not at all saying that this isn't true, I just haven't heard this before. PM me if you need to.

 

[pete2800]

You didn't miss a decimal but you did misread the email. It says we need to cut 28% of the differential between us and Skywest, not total cost. That would be impossible.

Still, I think the pilots should say NO to any concessions whatsoever. I'm very disappointed that I've heard people involved with the union who seem to agree with the company that we need to cut costs in order to help out the airline. It simply doesn't make sense when regionals are fighting over pilots.

Thanks for the correction. Upon re-reading I'm gaining a better understanding. That's what I get for not paying enough attention. Man, is that thing poorly worded though.

And I completely agree with you. In 2012, the first quarter profit was 24 million. In 2013, it was 44 million. In 2014 it was 94 million, and this year it was 149 million.

It seems to me that costs are at a reasonable level...

 

[ClarkGriswold]

Here's an excerpt from a message I just sent to our union leadership:

I have been working at Horizon for nearly XX years. During this time, I've been exposed to constant harassment from management implying that we are somehow overpaid or under-worked. Our benefits and 401(k) contributions have been whittled away, while our "pay raises" (if you want to call them that) can only be seen using a powerful microscope. What do you call a pay increase that doesn't cover the cost of living? It's called a "pay cut"!

Now, our management is coming back for another bite at the apple. So, we're being asked to make pay concessions and changes to our work rules so that that the company can MAYBE buy jets? Really?

In the last couple of months, I've seen the Delta pilots vote DOWN a TA, the Skywest pilots vote DOWN a TA, and the Republic pilots vote DOWN a TA. Not to mention, the Southwest flight attendants that just voted DOWN a TA. This tells me that the front-line employees (the people that do all the actual work) are tired of getting the crumbs off the corporate table while companies rake in a record amount of money. Our current CBA is more than adequate for the acquisition of new flying.

I encourage our union leadership to stand strong and not give in to management pressure. I suspect that the Air Group leadership is just jacking us around. If we give them what they want, they'll just buy some more jets for Skywest.

Last I checked everyone at an airline is a part of the team and is needed to operate it.