Seggy on Emirates!

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i think if US and European carriers would step up their game a little bit and start offering half a decent service onboard then you would get your fair competition....i mean if i was given an option to fly over the pond with A380 or a 30 year old single aisle 757...i think the choice is obvious
 
346Heavy said:
i think if US and European carriers would step up their game a little bit and start offering half a decent service onboard then you would get your fair competition....i mean if i was given an option to fly over the pond with A380 or a 30 year old single aisle 757...i think the choice is obvious
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They can't do this while keeping fares competitive.

These airlines are state owned and don't have the same cost structure as the US airlines. They get subsidies not only from their government but also our stupid government with discounted Boeing aircraft. U.S. airlines get none of the benefits that the middle-eastern airlines have but are somehow expected to compete 1 on 1. When you pay a fraction of the costs for fuel and such you will obviously have the extra cash to improve your product the way the Emirates can.

It also doesn't help that these airlines have gone on record saying they want to take over the airline industry.
 
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Maurus said:
They can't do this while keeping fares competitive.

These airlines are state owned and don't have the same cost structure as the US airlines. They get subsidies not only from their government but also our stupid government with discounted Boeing aircraft. U.S. airlines get none of the benefits that the middle-eastern airlines have but are somehow expected to compete 1 on 1. When you pay a fraction of the costs for fuel and such you will obviously have the extra cash to improve your product the way the Emirates can.

It also doesn't help that these airlines have gone on record saying they want to take over the airline industry.
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I know a couple EK guys and they have tankered fuel TO Dubai because it was cheaper at their outstation (in many cases, cities in Europe!).
 
Are they really treating their crews well at EK?

I found these few recent reads illuminating:
http://www.pprune.org/middle-east/555784-new-gcaa-flight-time-limitations-could-not-any-worse.html
http://www.pprune.org/middle-east/555790-leave-allocation-2015-6-a.html

They're trying to exclude time spent on break/in the bunk while in the air from flight time limitations? LOL.

Not to mention, we routinely see EK pilots interviewing where I work, and let's just say it's faaaaaar from one the most prestigious US carriers to work for, althought it generally suits me just fine.
 
As was expected, the allure of the expat life is fading as the homegrown airlines kick into high gear on hiring. EK was never really that great. It was just better than furlough and working at Home Depot.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
As was expected, the allure of the expat life is fading as the homegrown airlines kick into high gear on hiring. EK was never really that great. It was just better than furlough and working at Home Depot.
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You know this based on?

It probably was a great deal when @typhoonpilot started there in terms of QOL and movement. Those terms of employment have since changed and the movement stagnated now that it's a much more mature airline.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
As was expected, the allure of the expat life is fading as the homegrown airlines kick into high gear on hiring. EK was never really that great. It was just better than furlough and working at Home Depot.
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Echoing these statements, you don't see many Captains leaving their seat here in the U.S. for a FO slot at Emirates. In the past maybe, but the tides have turned. I personally know several FOs at Emirates that want out. They've also said how many Captains there are trying to get back stateside.
 
stuckingfk said:
Echoing these statements, you don't see many Captains leaving their seat here in the U.S. for a FO slot at Emirates. In the past maybe, but the tides have turned. I personally know several FOs at Emirates that want out. They've also said how many Captains there are trying to get back stateside.
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A friend of mine from Pinnacle was there about as long as I was at AirTran. He was a 777 captain. He recently left to take a job at United and was thrilled to be leaving the desert. Not that he was miserable there by any stretch, but it wasn't the United States, and it wasn't a legacy carrier.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
As was expected, the allure of the expat life is fading as the homegrown airlines kick into high gear on hiring. EK was never really that great. It was just better than furlough and working at Home Depot.
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When I was an MD-80 captain in Taiwan in the mid-90s I often said that being an F.O. at a U.S. major was better than being a captain overseas. It was a true statement then more so because the work rules at the majors were slightly better than they are today and because U.S. majors had pensions back then.

When I went to Emirates I said that it's best to make it a 10 to 15 year plan at most and to have an exit strategy at the end of that time. Many pilots came with that idea. Very few came thinking it was going to be a 20-30 year stay. Most who came in the early 2000s were either legacy captains who wanted a good end to their career or they were pilots stuck at the regionals. There were a number of furloughed guys as well, me included.

To say it was "just better than furlough and working at Home Depot" is not accurate at all. Emirates gave a lot of pilots the chance to save their careers and to do things they would never have been able to do, and never will be able to replicate in the USA.

There are 7 former Emirates pilots in my current group of 26. For such a large percentage to be from one airline speaks volumes for the quality of pilot that Emirates both attracts and/or produces. There are actually 4 more in a hiring pool of 9 which will make the percentage increase even further.

One of your former colleagues at Air Tran came to EK for a short while, but left and went to Air Japan as a DEC on the 767. In his interview at Air Japan they asked him if Emirates made him a better pilot. His answer was, " it did not make me better, it made me more professional". Actually a very good answer and very true.



Typhoonpilot
 
typhoonpilot said:
There are 7 former Emirates pilots in my current group of 26. For such a large percentage to be from one airline speaks volumes for the quality of pilot that Emirates both attracts and/or produces. There are actually 4 more in a hiring pool of 9 which will make the percentage increase even further.

One of your former colleagues at Air Tran came to EK for a short while, but left and went to Air Japan as a DEC on the 767. In his interview at Air Japan they asked him if Emirates made him a better pilot. His answer was, " it did not make me better, it made me more professional". Actually a very good answer and very true.



Typhoonpilot
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The arrogance in those two paragraphs is just resonating.

I'm sure with your "current group" of 26, y'all are buddy buddy and need a connection to even be looked at so it's no surprise you would have similar backgrounds.

Plenty of airlines world wide that can make one more professional. It's more than the airline though, it's the experience one gains that translates into their professional development as they go through their respected careers.
 
Seggy said:
Plenty of airlines world wide that can make one more professional. It's more than the airline though, it's the experience one gains that translates into their professional development as they go through their respected careers.
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It was reply to ATN's comment, "It was just better than furlough and working at Home Depot".

The purpose of which to show it is significantly more than that.

Seggy said:
The arrogance in those two paragraphs is just resonating.
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Actually one person currently screens all the resume's and he is ex-BA. The chief pilot and asst, chief pilot are ex-DAL.

Seggy said:
Plenty of airlines world wide that can make one more professional. It's more than the airline though, it's the experience one gains that translates into their professional development as they go through their respected careers.
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That is mostly a true statement, but there are also plenty that do not. Airlines have a reputation based on how pilots who came from them tend to do at their new workplace. When someone ways they are ex-Cathay, ex-Singapore, ex-British Airways, ex-KLM, one tends to give them a higher grade than saying they are ex-Qatar, ex-Air India, ex-Pinnacle, etc. True that is a general way of looking at it and there are certainly exceptions in both directions, but overall it holds true. Emirates belongs to the former group, not the later. So if one goes to Emirates and successfully upgrades to captain they will have a good reputation in the industry. That makes it much more than just "working at Home Depot".

Call that arrogant if you want, it's simply the truth.



Typhoonpilot
 
ATN_Pilot said:
He's former Airways East. The arrogance is endemic.
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Your disdain for East pilots is sickening!!

That is the group that hired furloughed UAL pilots in 78; the group that hired 400 out of work Braniff pilots when Braniff shut down in the early 80s; the group that hired hundreds of Eastern pilots in the late 80s and 90s when Eastern went on strike. It is the one and only pilot group that truly had "brotherhood" in their ethos. Yet you expect them to have crap shoved down their throat because their management was incompetent; for them to lose their careers due to an unfair seniority arbitration; for that you call them arrogant.

That is just so typical of you. Quite a few years ago I stopped giving you a hard time for being a PFTer at Gulfstream. But clearly that needs to be brought up again. You need to be reminded of how you bought your way into this industry to get your start and get the heck off of your high horse.


TP
 
Wow. Pretty sure ATN and Seggy were in diapers when TP was flying for a major airline. Both of you got an accelerated start on your careers, benefited directly from the post 9/11 regional boom (while people like TP were furloughed and went overseas to make back the same pay.... they were not in their 20s living the single life at a regional), and then both of you got hired at a major at a very young age. As far as I'm aware, neither ever had to go through a furlough and have never missed an airline paycheck.

Some are on a high horse. TP isn't one of them.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Wow. Pretty sure ATN and Seggy were in diapers when TP was flying for a major airline. Both of you got an accelerated start on your careers, benefited directly from the post 9/11 regional boom (while people like TP were furloughed and went overseas to make back the same pay.... they were not in their 20s living the single life at a regional), and then both of you got hired at a major at a very young age. As far as I'm aware, neither ever had to go through a furlough and have never missed an airline paycheck.

Some are on a high horse. TP isn't one of them.
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