ATR down in Taipei

deadstick said:
I'm thinking they saw the wires at the last second, yanked back, bled off the airspeed, and away they went.
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I think they maybe had the conversation- stay close to the river, do checklists, saw the huge ass electrical tower and 90* banked left and dropped out of the sky
 
Posters with time in type on other boards are saying no way that's a commanded roll...plane apparently doesn't roll anywhere near that fast.
 
Boris Badenov said:
Posters with time in type on other boards are saying no way that's a commanded roll...plane apparently doesn't roll anywhere near that fast.
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That was my first thought before vmc...
So, maybe the power was back on the good engine on the approach to the river and they gave it a blast to clear the bridge?
Although I agree the good engine should of been good enough to get em home...
 
Cripes, luckily I've never had a flying related nightmare... but this is probably what it would look like. Seems to me like they managed to milk it over those high-rises and then just started to settle in a stall on the other side (not sure how the stick pusher or whatever works on those things) until they realized they were going to hit the bridge and probably did a panic pull that put them into the VMC roll. Whatever the cause, from the time they cleared those buildings with a low energy state and a high AoA I'd say their fate was sealed one way or another. Scary stuff for sure.

Keep safe out there guys.
 
Boris Badenov said:
Posters with time in type on other boards are saying no way that's a commanded roll...plane apparently doesn't roll anywhere near that fast.
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I only have a few hours in the 72, but she didn't have a great roll rate, but it did fly fine on one engine. Maybe @Trip7 or @LoadMasterC141 can add some more they both have more time in the 72 than me.
 
I only have 150 hours in the ATR. Looking at the video I would guess it's a VMC/stall type situation. Trans Asia really needs a world class safety consultant like Korean Air did back in the day. Their accident rate is way too high.
 
Korean Air is a fine carrier these days. I've flown on them lots, and I'd do so again.

Taiwan's safety culture is generally good, as well. China Airlines is a solid airline with a good safety record.
 
dasleben said:
Korean Air is a fine carrier these days. I've flown on them lots, and I'd do so again.
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Sorry but an airline where an executive orders a plane back to the gate over nuts has issues. Furthermore, the guys I know that worked there didn't have nice things to say about them as well.
 
fholbert said:
Fricking Free for All! Just how many rescue boats do they need?

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As many as it takes to rescue everyone.
 
Pilot Fighter said:
The roll is kinda interesting but has anybody noticed the rate of descent?

Even wings level, that was going to be quite an arrival.
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Which is why I wonder how much power was actually being generated by the right engine. If it was operating fine there is the possibility of a Vmc roll, but there shouldn't be that sink rate (unless they had a whole lot of drag somewhere). If it's NOT operating fine (and allowing the sink rate) there wouldn't be Vmc issues.
 
ATR isn't exactly famous for being overpowered. At least accoding to wikipedia, it has the same max gross as a Saab 2000, but about 60% of the power. Now, obviously, the Saab is also quite a bit faster, but that's a big power difference. Obviously, the thing ought to climb on one engine, but that does require the crew not to get too slow. Anything can be a handful on the back side of the power curve.
 
bucksmith said:
That was my first thought before vmc...
So, maybe the power was back on the good engine on the approach to the river and they gave it a blast to clear the bridge?
Although I agree the good engine should of been good enough to get em home...
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Pilot Fighter said:
The roll is kinda interesting but has anybody noticed the rate of descent?

Even wings level, that was going to be quite an arrival.
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Maybe onto something. RH engine was pulled back for the descent, but then somebody slammed in the power because of the road, the wires, the ROD, or...and didn't correct for the power application.

Does the ATR use flaps on takeoff? Doesn't it look like the flaps were extended a bit?


@bucksmith My humble apologies. I missed several posts I this page. Smart phones can make people look not do smart.
 
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deadstick said:
Maybe onto something. RH engine was pulled back for the descent, but then somebody slammed in the power because of the road, the wires, the ROD, or...and didn't correct for the power application.

Does the ATR use flaps on takeoff? Doesn't it look like the flaps were extended a bit?
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hey, that was my idea...:def:
 
Seggy said:
Sorry but an airline where an executive orders a plane back to the gate over nuts has issues. Furthermore, the guys I know that worked there didn't have nice things to say about them as well.
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Not to be an apologist for that, but at least at my airline, the VP Flight Operations is in the operational control chain, and consequently, can order us to return to the gate.

(InFlight cannot, though.)
 
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