No more Brasilias at SkyWest...

ATN_Pilot said:
A system whereby whiny little bitches on the bottom of the seniority list force people on the top of the list who have already paid their dues to pay them some more, even when they're a few months from retirement after a 40 year career. Sound fair? If you think it does, you're probably one of the whiny little bitches.
Click to expand...
I dont know. When you put it like that it doesnt sound fair. I guess I like having lines with days of reserve built in. I usually end getting paid four hours to sit at home.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
A system whereby whiny little bitches on the bottom of the seniority list force people on the top of the list who have already paid their dues to pay them some more, even when they're a few months from retirement after a 40 year career. Sound fair? If you think it does, you're probably one of the whiny little bitches.
Click to expand...

Much like my political leanings, I tend to look for what benefits the many instead of what benefits the few. I'm not junior in my seat, but I would support rotating reserve.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Are you really surprised? I'm not. He probably thinks upgrades should be "merit" based, and pay should be linked to profitability, too. :rolleyes:
Click to expand...

Well if there were a way to reliably and objectively measure merit, of course that's better than pure seniority. I understand that's difficult, and that's why seniority determines upgrade, but seniority isn't the "best" system. It's the "least bad" system.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
And if you're a commuter? You're not sitting at home anymore. You're paying for a hotel, sitting around doing nothing. At 60 years old. After a 40 year career. Ridiculous.
Click to expand...
True. Thats why our lines work for our company. Nobody commutes. Everybody is home in their own bed at night. But these lines obviously wouldnt work at other companies.
 
I'm certainly not setting foot into the rotating reserve argument...

But one thing I would like is for new hires or just pilots new on equipment to have their first month or two off IOE to be lineholders. The benefits being that you immediately get a lot of experience while everything you just learned is still fresh. The reason I say this is that when I was new at SkyWest (and on the Brasilia), I was on reserve for the first couple of months and hardly flew. I barely made the OE requirement, and even had to call crew support as I was worried I'd dequal. When I was called for a flight, I had to study flows just to make sure I remembered what to do! But once I was a lineholder, I was really able to nail a lot of stuff down quickly with the consistent flying.

I remember hearing that Southwest does this with new hires, but have never verified it... Anybody know if this is true? @ZapBrannigan
 
GypsyPilot said:
I'm certainly not setting foot into the rotating reserve argument...

But one thing I would like is for new hires or just pilots new on equipment to have their first month or two off IOE to be lineholders. The benefits being that you immediately get a lot of experience while everything you just learned is still fresh. The reason I say this is that when I was new at SkyWest (and on the Brasilia), I was on reserve for the first couple of months and hardly flew. I barely made the OE requirement, and even had to call crew support as I was worried I'd dequal. When I was called for a flight, I had to study flows just to make sure I remembered what to do! But once I was a lineholder, I was really able to nail a lot of stuff down quickly with the consistent flying.

I remember hearing that Southwest does this with new hires, but have never verified it... Anybody know if this is true? @ZapBrannigan
Click to expand...
Stop whining. [emoji57]
 
yeah-there-were-horses-and-a-man-on-fire-and-i-killed-a-guy-with-a-trident-thumb.jpg
 
GypsyPilot said:
I'm certainly not setting foot into the rotating reserve argument...

But one thing I would like is for new hires or just pilots new on equipment to have their first month or two off IOE to be lineholders. The benefits being that you immediately get a lot of experience while everything you just learned is still fresh. The reason I say this is that when I was new at SkyWest (and on the Brasilia), I was on reserve for the first couple of months and hardly flew. I barely made the OE requirement, and even had to call crew support as I was worried I'd dequal. When I was called for a flight, I had to study flows just to make sure I remembered what to do! But once I was a lineholder, I was really able to nail a lot of stuff down quickly with the consistent flying.
Click to expand...

Rotating reserve doesn't sound fair for reasons given, but a short period of "seasoning" like you describe prior to becoming reserve and flying sporadically, I think is a good idea. Gives you time to at least get comfortable and have things start to become a little bit second nature. Unless something close to this is already done.....
 
PhilosopherPilot said:
Much like my political leanings, I tend to look for what benefits the many instead of what benefits the few. I'm not junior in my seat, but I would support rotating reserve.
Click to expand...

Seniority is what's best for everyone, because everyone gets their opportunity at the benefits. What you propose just spreads the misery around to everyone for all eternity. There is no escape.

Too many SNAPs in this industry, nowadays.
 
They don't think it be like it is, but it do.

PhilosopherPilot said:
Well if there were a way to reliably and objectively measure merit, of course that's better than pure seniority. I understand that's difficult, and that's why seniority determines upgrade, but seniority isn't the "best" system. It's the "least bad" system.
Click to expand...
Churchill and democracy. It is the worst way to assign who sits where, except for all the other ways of assigning.

ASpilot2be said:
I dont know. When you put it like that it doesnt sound fair. I guess I like having lines with days of reserve built in. I usually end getting paid four hours to sit at home.
Click to expand...
Delta's (non-represented) flight attendants have this system, I believe. We have it too, if you are not a guaranteed line holder and PBS solves a line for you with less than the minimum guarantee, you become a composite blockholder, with either (1) pairings added from Open Time or (2) reserve availability periods added at the minimum daily guarantee to your bid award. (Some of the best schedules I've flown have been composites, actually—in terms of both time at home and pay. Of course, I'm strange - I enjoy aviating.)

Boyington said:
I plan on calling in sick a lot, so the reserve guys will get lots of flight time.
Click to expand...
Happens. Anal glaucoma (that is, you cannot see your ass getting to work) has high incidence and prevalence.

ATN_Pilot said:
Seniority is what's best for everyone, because everyone gets their opportunity at the benefits. What you propose just spreads the misery around to everyone for all eternity. There is no escape.

Too many SNAPs in this industry, nowadays.
Click to expand...
Reserve need not be miserable.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
A system whereby whiny little bitches on the bottom of the seniority list force people on the top of the list who have already paid their dues to pay them some more, even when they're a few months from retirement after a 40 year career. Sound fair? If you think it does, you're probably one of the whiny little bitches.
Click to expand...
You could at least work the term "entitled RJ FO" in there somewhere. :rolleyes: :sarcasm:
 
Not to hijack the thread hijack, but...

etflies said:
That airplane was less finesse and more "manhandle."
Click to expand...
KLB said:
I actually did not enjoy hand flying the bro....not in cruise anyways. If the auto pilot is MEL'd, "you're gonna have a bad time".
Click to expand...

I'm not sure what you guys are talking about. I hand fly the thing all the time, occasionally entire flights. Hell, yesterday I put it in cruise and didn't touch the controls again until it was time to descend. It trims out quite nicely.

Remember, the electric trim should only be used for one thing: turning off the autopilot.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
That's easy to say when you live in base. I've been voluntarily bidding reserve for a few years now. But I live in base. My schedule over the past few years on reserve would have been pure misery to a commuter. And we have one of the best reserve systems in the industry.
Click to expand...
I've commuted to reserve at a regional. I would rate it somewhere between "miserable" and "tolerable".

Don't get me wrong, I see your point...
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top