SlumTodd_Millionaire
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It appears many here are stuck in a 30 year old paradigm to explain human performance.
Bingo!
It appears many here are stuck in a 30 year old paradigm to explain human performance.
Flying an airplane isn't all that difficult. Sorry to bruise everyone's ego, but I can train just about anybody with an IQ over 80 to fly an airplane.
My dad, a 24-year USAF pilot who spent most of his career in the KC-135, would vehemently disagree with that contention.
In your driver example I think it's possible they may not have understood what "median" means. American's and math.
Did I goof up some grammar in that ost? If so I apologize, I never should have been allowed to pass 5th grade.Good thing we're good at English!
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-Fox
Did I goof up some grammar in that ost? If so I apologize, I never should have been allowed to pass 5th grade.
What is it about the 121 world that breeds this kind of belief?
By definition, day visual approaches and landings are the most basic, core skill learned and practiced from literally day one as a pilot.
I've been a professional pilot for going on 20 years, and at no time during that experience -- ever -- was a "beautiful day VFR approach" anywhere NEAR remotely being even in the same neighborhood as "the most difficult maneuver to fly". In fact, it has always been quite the opposite.
I seriously, honestly, really, all bravado aside, do not grasp where you guys are coming from when you say stuff like this. This is the same line trotted out when first discussing the findings in the SFO crash. I didn't get it then, and I don't get it now. To me, this is like saying "the sky is red", and it is said with such seriousness and conviction I have to think that you guys really believe it.
What is it about 121 flying that creates a culture where this is true in both belief and practice?
Sorry to go back a few pages... side effect of being several time zones behind the rest of the civilized world.
Hacker, the issue is that in the military you guys train the hell out of pattern work. I flew to Kona 3 time on Wednesday and the same P3 was there the whole time doing practice approaches to a few turns in the pattern and then back out to radar again. For several hours. Over and over and over. Same thing happens with C17s and the F22s and the KC135s and KC10s out here. I used to watch Harriers and KC135s do hours of pattern work at Willie when I was instructing there. Over and over and over.
You know how many visual approaches (from a downwind) I've done in the plane that I just hit 1000 hours in? Two. That's it. I've done a whole bunch of "base to final" sorts, but keep in mind too, I'm in an operation that does way more visual flying than almost any other 121 airline out there. We (121) just don't ever practice (in the sim and nobody in 121 is doing in aircraft training now) visual approaches. That's why, when we get them for real, even if we have thousands of hours of 172 time in the pattern to fall back on, it's a much harder maneuver than a straight in ILS, for us.
I could fly the snot out of any instrument procedure when I got to Piedmont. Flying a purely visual approach was my nemesis. .
It certainly can be. With good training and a FO ready to learn it can be a quick phase to grow out of.the joke at OO is
Do you know what the scariest phrase is to a new FO?
CLEARED FOR THE VISUAL!!! Muahahahah
just professional aviators at work.I watched a Delta 747 the other day enter the traffic pattern on the 45 at an uncontrolled field that has no instrument approaches, fly a downwind/base/final visually, and land successfully. And with all the correct radio transmissions too. Was i watching some kind of emergency procedure being accomplished?
I watched a Delta 747 the other day enter the traffic pattern on the 45 at an uncontrolled field that has no instrument approaches, fly a downwind/base/final visually, and land successfully. And with all the correct radio transmissions too. Was i watching some kind of emergency procedure being accomplished?
Emergency? No. Unusual day at the office? Definitely.
just professional aviators at work.
Emergency? No. Unusual day at the office? Definitely.
They did it well. Almost like they do it all the time. Was cool to watch, too, due to the unusual nature. Sad that it was likely the plane's last landing...