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Now that is funny!
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Now that is funny!
Maurus
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Let me guess. Based in CVG?
spitfire5181
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scooter2525
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Imma motha luva, you a motha luva...
spitfire5181
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Yes, I forget the company name but its out of VNY flying jets. Story is he just started talking to some guys at an FBO and they basically offered him a job. Good guy, I just wonder how AMF feels about putting him on the site and 3-4 months after getting into the Metro he's gone.
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Hopefully it isn't one of the several, horrible 135 Gulfstream operators... Although at least its a type rating. When I was at AMF, skipping a contract was unheard of because the industry was poopy. AMF needs to maybe change the way they do training contacts. It clearly doesn't stop anyone from leaving to better places, so in the end, whats the point?
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One of the guys I worked with in OAK who is still there, seems to think they will just let him out of his wet ink contract on the 1900 if he finds a job somewhere else. I accidentally laughed out loud...
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Tommay85
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Barring some pretty serious extenuating circumstances or a damn good explanation, I'd have hard time hiring a guy that broke a contract, regardless of how long ago it was. That's a pretty serious integrity issue IMO.
I think some that bounced early to regionals or entry level 135/91 may face issues down the road. Maybe not. AMF isn't by any means prestigious, but they aren't miniscule in the grand scheme of things either. I would think a negative review(not re-hirable) would be pretty unfavorable. Again, maybe not. They can't go after you for money(until the move to DFW is complete), but they can say "not re-hirable".
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Well, if they are breaking a contract, they already landed a job. I don't think you can put arbitrary things such as training contracts on a PRIA. so PRIA will show they quit, and if a potential employer calls AMF asking them if they are eligible for rehire, they will say no. That is if you even put AMF down as a reference, which by that point if you did you would be an idiot. AMF management likes to think that they have ultimate control over somebody's career, that if they fire you, they give the "you'll never work in this town again!!" line, then tell everyone that they will never be able to get a job because they were fired from AMF (sniffing their own farts in the process). The reality is, everyone that has landed gear up, failed training, broke contracts, done something stupid at AMF went to bigger, better jobs that pay more, or at least a regional. I watched 2 people fail Metro upgrades in OAK, and every time AMF said they wouldn't get job at McDonalds, yet they all landed jet gigs haha.
Tommay85
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True and you're probably right. They can call any previous employer for information though and they can say "not re-hirable" if asked.
I definitely can't say I'd risk short term gain only to get a "no" from a major or a top tier 91 gig. I feel like a place like Delta would frown upon breaking a contract or getting fired from McDonalds. McDs doesn't have a contract though...
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True and you're probably right. They can call any previous employer for information though and they can say "not re-hirable" if asked.
I definitely can't say I'd risk short term gain only to get a "no" from a major or a top tier 91 gig. I feel like a place like Delta would frown upon breaking a contract or getting fired from McDonalds. McDs doesn't have a contract though...
I haven't broke a contract, don't plan to, so I don't know how companies would look at that in the future. Although a captain at my current company has interviews for both United and Delta, he will take the United offer if it comes first, but he will walk out of indoc the second Delta calls. So it isn't like leaving before you're supposed hasn't happened in the industry before. Besides, if one wants to go to delta, it isn't gonna happen from AMF anytime soon so break the contract to get a good paying jet gig build some part 25 jet time for a few years and AMF will be a distant memory. Maybe it will come up, maybe it won't. It isn't a risk I would take personally but I can't blame anyone for striking while the iron is hot in this climate.
AMF makes many promises to new hires. Much of the time, these promises are kept. People go in to their base/run, fly the schedule that was posted, and get an upgrade in the time promised or less. Sometimes, however, the employee gets put in a terrible base that they were not promised, on a terrible run, and with a terrible QOL. That is sad, but true. I don't blame some of the guys from jumping out of a contract in these cases. One guy recently was hired and promised a run that didn't exist. He was told at the job fair that he would be based in his home, and be back every night. The truth is that a run out of his home didn't exist and he was going to be out stationed somewhere in Texas.
With everyone hiring right now, I can see why guys are jumping ship. Get to a 121 carrier, build some seniority, and in a few years, no one will ever look back at or care what happened when you were flying for a little Part 135 carrier. Who knows, the AMF could get bought and sold 2 or 3 more times by then.
With everyone hiring right now, I can see why guys are jumping ship. Get to a 121 carrier, build some seniority, and in a few years, no one will ever look back at or care what happened when you were flying for a little Part 135 carrier. Who knows, the AMF could get bought and sold 2 or 3 more times by then.
ItsAFunZone
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I think you guys are being a little too quick to give these guys a pass. We work in an industry where your word is VERY important.
How do I know the numbers in your logbook are real?
How do I know you REALLY did a thorough walk around?
Your word.
Sorry if you had some bad luck, life is tough and unfair so suck it up. You gave your word, keep it.
**biased opinion from a guy who finished his contract while watching countless others take the easy way out.**
How do I know the numbers in your logbook are real?
How do I know you REALLY did a thorough walk around?
Your word.
Sorry if you had some bad luck, life is tough and unfair so suck it up. You gave your word, keep it.
**biased opinion from a guy who finished his contract while watching countless others take the easy way out.**
ItsAFunZone
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I think your integrity is your own. It's not dependent on your circumstances.
Just because someone is a (X) does not give you a pass to be an (X). Just my .02
Just because someone is a (X) does not give you a pass to be an (X). Just my .02
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Which is exactly why I didn't think about leaving before my contract was up. I don't break contracts, I also don't call in sick to work to go interview somewhere. I schedule a day off around the interview. Integrity is your own I agree 100%. My integrity doesn't change from company to company based on the company's integrity, however my loyalty and hard work ethic does.