Malaysian 777 Plane Crashes in Ukraine

texas_pilot said:
I think most likely the effect of military munitions on a civilian aircraft would indicate immediate death.
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Probably not. The SA-17 has a 62kg warhead that's designed for a proximity detonation and pepper the target with fragmented pieces of the missile. People sitting near where the warhead exploded may have been killed by the actual detonation, but the blast radius of a 62kg is rather limited and those more then a few feet away and out of the range of the fragments would have survived the initial explosion.
 
BobDDuck said:
Probably not. The SA-17 has a 62kg warhead that's designed for a proximity detonation and pepper the target with fragmented pieces of the missile. People sitting near where the warhead exploded may have been killed by the actual detonation, but the blast radius of a 62kg is rather limited and those more then a few feet away and out of the range of the fragments would have survived the initial explosion.
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Man, training at Hawaiian must be intense!
 
mikecweb said:
Reports just coming in that two more Ukrainian fighter jets shot down in the general vicinity of the crash site.
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Autothrust Blue said:
After death, desecration.

Sickening.
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So the weapons were free, no telling how much Vodka they bought with the foreign currency, jewelry and credit cards they stole. I'm h8ting on these people, wondering how many have no local address on their ID- there to kill and grab anything of value.
Surprised they haven't sold the wreckage for scrap metal.
 
MikeD said:
Even if this happened here in the USA, it's not a standard NTSB-style accident investigation. Depending on how one looks at it, it's either an act or war/combat, or a crime, or both. It's something law enforcement or military would be investigating depending on jurisdiction, with any of the major aviation accident investigating bodies serving in a supporting technical role only.

We could probably airlift an investigating team into there without diplomatic clearance of any kind via military means, but that would be an essential invasion, and securing the ground there to allow the investigation to proceed would be tough. Very tough. We'd just become the third player in the war there.
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As mad as I am, I'll give a firm "no thanks" on that.
 
First 40 remains of the victims of MH-17 arrive in the Netherlands. RIP May the families, friends and loved ones be able to begin the process of healing soon.




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Many citizens observing the day of mourning went to Schiphol Airport, where flight MH17 took off from, to place flowers

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Seggy said:
The Dutch are such a class act.
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Yes, they are. And they kept all family members and friends who attended in a special area, where no media/press were allowed. Finally some respect and dignity for those who perished and those who are left behind.

Flowers being dropped as the procession passes under a bridge. Thousands of Dutch residents lined roads and overpasses along parts of the route to pay their respect.

Buses and trains stopped on roads nationwide during the moment of silence, and landings at Amsterdam's Schipol airport were halted as a sign of respect. In the evening, hundreds attended a memorial service at St. Joris church in Amersfoort.

"Love will win. Light will break through," one relative of a family killed in the crash told mourners.

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Screaming_Emu said:
Oh yeah. I mean go to Walmart or Whole foods and see how people treat eachother. If that same dynamic was moved to a place and time where there weren't really consequences for your actions...that same stuff would happen here.
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If there were no consequences to doing it, can you really say that you wouldn't have killed or done serious bodily harm to someone at least a few times in your life?

There will be no consequences for the clowns who shot this plane down and looted the bodies.

So some of them did it.
 
Those pictures are very touching. I'm glad those victims are finally being treated with respect.

tonyw said:
If there were no consequences to doing it, can you really say that you wouldn't have killed or done serious bodily harm to someone at least a few times in your life?.
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I think I can honestly say no. I've wanted to hit people a few times in my life, but even held back on that. I realize that's not typical and get your point, however.
 
ChasenSFO said:
Those pictures are very touching. I'm glad those victims are finally being treated with respect.
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The terrible thing is that this nightmare continues. Investigators still do not have full access to the site, remains are still spread around the area, many bodies are unaccounted for and heavily armed Separatists remain there in force. Something needs to be done. Putin is among the lowest form of human beings on this planet.
 
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