And the widow of Alexander Litvinenko.
Malaysian 777 Plane Crashes in Ukraine
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Well it's somewhat of a challenge.
You're on a highly traveled, generally-acceptable route. Maybe sipping on a hot tea, playing a little Candy Crush, talking to Simferopol radar then a strong jolt, shrapnel rips though your airplane.
Did we hit something? Did something hit us?
Screams, confusion, high g-forces, more confusion, light where there shouldn't be light then blackness.
It's not really a pilot story as we're minor parts of it. What would I do different? Nothing.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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That's a bit of a silly suggestion, since the topics are inextricably linked.
gne in prog
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Boris Badenov
Fortis Leader
As per above, this is apparently footage of the Antonov they shot down a few days earlier.
ChasenSFO
hen teaser
One investigative group claims they found undeniable evidence that it was indeed a Russian supplied Buk missle fired by Russian-backed separatists. All the evidence is in the link below. How Russia thought they could deny this in the day and age of social media with virtually everyone carrying a cameraphone with internet access these days is beyond me.
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-...e-separatists-buk-a-bellingcat-investigation/
Sample of photos collected just before the shootdown by various Ukrainians shortly before the MH17 accident, and in the same region...
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-...e-separatists-buk-a-bellingcat-investigation/
Sample of photos collected just before the shootdown by various Ukrainians shortly before the MH17 accident, and in the same region...
dustoff17
Still trying to reach the Top Shelf
MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russian state-controlled TV has broadcast what it called "sensational" photographs, which it said supported Moscow's theory that Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was shot down by a Ukrainian fighter jet.
Several commentators who have examined the photographs have described them as forgeries, however.
The photographs, said to be taken by a Western satellite, appear to show a fighter jet firing a missile at a passenger plane over eastern Ukraine where the Malaysian airliner was shot down on July 17, killing all 298 people on board.
Moscow has long said it believed the aircraft was destroyed by a Ukrainian military jet, while Western officials say evidence suggests the plane was hit by a Russian-made surface-to-air missile fired by pro-Russian separatist rebels.
The photographs were aired on a Friday evening news show "Odnako", which said they had been sent to a Russian expert by a man called George Bilt, who had presented himself as a graduate from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT).
"We have at our disposal sensational photographs presumably made by a foreign spy satellite in the last seconds of the Malaysian Boeing's flight over Ukraine," Channel One presenter Dmitry Borisov said.
"The pictures support that version which has hardly been heard in the West."
Since being aired by Channel One, the photographs have met with widespread scepticism.
Andrei Menshenin, a commentator for independent Russian radio station Ekho Moskvy, called the TV report a "pseudo-sensation", and said the angle of attack indicated by the photographs did not correspond to the location of the damage.
Bellingcat, a British investigative journalism website, described the photographs as "a crude fabrication", highlighting what it said were several inconsistencies, which included signs that the photos had been partly compiled from historical Google Earth imagery dating from 2012.
During the course of the Ukraine crisis Russian state television has frequently aired reports, sometimes including apparently sensational evidence, that back the Kremlin's version of events.
In July, an opinion poll by the Levada Center polling agency said only three percent of Russians believed the Malaysian airliner was hit by rebels, with 82 percent saying it was shot down by the Ukrainian armed forces.
The publication of the photos came on the eve of a G20 summit in Brisbane, where President Vladimir Putin faces strong criticism from Western leaders for Russia's actions in Ukraine.
(Reporting by Jason Bush; Editing by Crispian Balmer)
Hacker15e
Who am I? Where are my pants?
The "photo" is ridiculous on many levels.
As a fighter pilot, the most significant issue with it is the angle and range of the shot -- way too close, approaching from way too high of an aspect for engaging a slower-speed target, and shooting directly at the other jet instead of in a little bit of lead pursuit.
As a fighter pilot, the most significant issue with it is the angle and range of the shot -- way too close, approaching from way too high of an aspect for engaging a slower-speed target, and shooting directly at the other jet instead of in a little bit of lead pursuit.
chrisreedrules
Master Blaster
The Russians are guilty and it's plain to see to anyone with half a brain. My first thoughts echo Hacker's... Why would the fighter be that close before firing? Makes absolutely zero sense.
Because it moves under-educated public opinion.
Putin is winning the conversation.
A Life Aloft
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The "photo" is ridiculous on many levels.
As a fighter pilot, the most significant issue with it is the angle and range of the shot -- way too close, approaching from way too high of an aspect for engaging a slower-speed target, and shooting directly at the other jet instead of in a little bit of lead pursuit.
Looks like you read the feedback on my final Airliners.net submission in the 1990's.
NewYorkophile
Fly Casual
The "photo" is ridiculous on many levels.
As a fighter pilot, the most significant issue with it is the angle and range of the shot -- way too close, approaching from way too high of an aspect for engaging a slower-speed target, and shooting directly at the other jet instead of in a little bit of lead pursuit.
Not to mention cameras aren't focused to FL330 , and even if it did capture the aircraft, it'd be blurry as F.
Only hope would be a IR spectrum satellite that captured a launch...but that would just verify a SAM too
Hacker15e
Who am I? Where are my pants?
Admittedly, I'm not all that savvy about the technical details of overhead imagery, but given the fact that a lot of imagery we see (including commercial stuff on the internet) covers areas of significantly differing terrain and altitudes, and that imagery manages to keep it all in focus, I'm not sure that's a significant aspect here.
With a high f-stop/aperture setting, I can keep a regular hand-held camera's depth of field very deep, and thus keeping even things in the background in nominally the same focus as the objects in the foreground.
I imagine that, given the altitudes/distances that these satellites are shooting imagery (450 miles high), that a difference of 7 miles isn't really that deep into the focus field.