Malaysia Airlines 777 missing

Pilot Fighter said:
The most frequently discussed scenarios suggest that Malaysia missed something. Bad crew, bad security, bad maintenance. If it remains a mystery, Malaysia doesn't have to accept any specific criticism.
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I hate to say this and it's just my opinion, but frankly I think that the Malaysian government was in over their head since day one. It's a small third world country. I don't believe they have the infrastructure nor the experience to even begin to truly deal with this event. They have been reluctant to even call in qualified help from countries and agencies (especially in the US) for help and advice. They dragged their asses for several days not taking several obvious actions that they should have begun instantly. They have put out false information, changed information, retracted information, contradicted themselves, have not properly verified information that they did make public, etc. They have been recalcitrant to share information. It's been a complete mess as far as I can see.

Even China is fed up. They are under pressure themselves to provide answers to the families of the Chinese citizens aboard this flight.

While there certainly may be some political issues at play here, e.g. their history of authoritarianism runs deep and again IMO, there are still many issues with their governmental branches and especially state laws, the rigging of electoral boundaries, discriminating racial policies, sanctions and powers (look at the media control for example and the circumnavigation of personal rights), the truth in finding out what happened to this aircraft and some relief for the families of the crew and pax should have been in the forefront and it has not been. I find all of this very disturbing for many reasons. I just cannot recall in the history of aviation, a disaster of this proportion which has been handled in such a hap hazard, lack of detailed and open communication/transparency, inefficient and ridiculous manner, as this event has.

I realize that the government there is not used to answering to anything or anyone, or being held accountable, but this is just beyond the pale of incompetency.
 
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Yeah, not sure why its not on their website anymore. It might have something to do with them not having a live report. They are replaying that Don Lemon show from earlier. The release was actually issued from China's main news organization so its probably credible. After all of this coverage from CNN on this, its pretty pathetic that they cant manage to keep someone on call to go live if their are developments.

Here, USA Today is more on top of it at the moment. Yup! I have no life ;)
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/03/24/missing-malaysia-jetliner/6814799/

Also, objects were apparently spotted yesterday and went unreported by our cable news media.
http://www.reuters.com/article/video/idUSBREA2701720140323?videoId=297872752
 
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A Life Aloft said:
I hate to say this and it's just my opinion, but frankly I think that the Malaysian government was in over their head since day one. It's a small third world country. I don't believe they have the infrastructure nor the experience to even begin to truly deal with this event. They have been reluctant to even call in qualified help from countries and agencies (especially in the US) for help and advice. They dragged their asses for several days not taking several obvious actions that they should have begun instantly. They have put out false information, changed information, retracted information, contradicted themselves, have not properly verified information that they did make public, etc. They have been recalcitrant to share information. It's been a complete mess as far as I can see.

Even China is fed up. They are under pressure themselves to provide answers to the families of the Chinese citizens aboard this flight.

While there certainly may be some political issues at play here, e.g. their history of authoritarianism runs deep and again IMO, there are still many issues with their governmental branches and especially state laws, the rigging of electoral boundaries, discriminating racial policies, sanctions and powers (look at the media control for example and the circumnavigation of personal rights), the truth in finding out what happened to this aircraft and some relief for the families of the crew and pax should have been in the forefront and it has not been. I find all of this very disturbing for many reasons. I just cannot recall in the history of aviation, a disaster of this proportion which has been handled in such a hap hazard, lack of detailed and open communication/transparency, inefficient and ridiculous manner, as this event has.

I realize that the government there is not used to answering to anything or anyone, or being held accountable, but this is just beyond the pale of incompetency.
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Conan the snarky grammarian here...
So "beyond the pale" means roughly "outside the bounds of acceptable behavior". So "beyond the pale of incompetency would mean something like outside the bounds of "acceptable incompetency", which would imply there is, somehow, an acceptable level of incompetency which was surpassed.
"Circumnavigation" is what Malaysia 370 probably did with regard to perhaps the Indian Ocean or Thailand or some other geographical formation. "Circumvention" is what I believe you are arguing the Malaysian government does to its citizens' personal rights.

Snarkiness aside, I agree with your take that the Malaysian response has been FUBAR. :)
 
SeanD said:
Yeah, not sure why its not on their website anymore.
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It's there now.

2 big objects, many smaller
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Search plane reports spotting
The report of items seen by a plane in the Indian Ocean follows days of reports of objects found on satellite images. FULL STORY
 
Soooo...IL76 can do air-drops, right? Such as airplane pieces? :tinfoil:

There was talk that they went right to an area and found debris and another theory was the Chinese government knew more.
 
Crop Duster said:
Conan the snarky grammarian here...
So "beyond the pale" means roughly "outside the bounds of acceptable behavior". So "beyond the pale of incompetency would mean something like outside the bounds of "acceptable incompetency", which would imply there is, somehow, an acceptable level of incompetency which was surpassed.
"Circumnavigation" is what Malaysia 370 probably did with regard to perhaps the Indian Ocean or Thailand or some other geographical formation. "Circumvention" is what I believe you are arguing the Malaysian government does to its citizens' personal rights.

Snarkiness aside, I agree with your take that the Malaysian response has been FUBAR. :)
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Further style barbarianism...

It is "incompetence" and not "incompetency."
 
A Life Aloft said:
there are still many issues with their governmental branches and especially state laws, the rigging of electoral boundaries... sanctions and powers (look at the media control for example and the [circumvention] of personal rights)...

I realize that the government there is not used to answering to anything or anyone, or being held accountable, but this is just beyond the pale...
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Wait, which country are we talking about?
 
CNN and Fox are reporting the Airliner disappeared over the Indian Ocean. The source is coming from the Malaysian Prime Minister.

I'm merely passing along the information I came across. I'm skeptical, since this is the 10th time (maybe more) that they have come out and said they have found a piece of the aircraft.
 
They were still incredibly vague on how they actually determined all of this, something about a new strategy with satellites that had never been used before?
 
DubyaDawg said:
They were still incredibly vague on how they actually determined all of this, something about a new strategy with satellites that had never been used before?
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There was another bit in the papers recent about a couple of other satellites that were being re-tasked to aid in the search.

Considering that sources and methods are often masked, it's not really important. What's important is if they conclusively ID wreckage, and zero in on a crash site.

Wonder if we have a 688 laying around that could wander about at 4 knots and listen for the pingers?
 
This is indicative of the 24 hours news cycle.

I haven't watched television for almost a week. I turn on cable news and they've got the "Dun daah DOOO DUNT!" "Breaking News!" and keep yammering as if there's something that they've found, but they just haven't gotten to revealing yet.

So I wait, and I wait.

I go to my usual "hard news' sources online and there is, in fact, nothing newsworthy to break.
 
British investigators are the ones who came out with the new satellite data analysis to determine the airliners did go down in the India Ocean. How they did it? My guess is that is classified information and they likely wont go into detail about it. They need more definitive proof IMO.

"described as unprecedented analysis of satellite data sent by the plane by British satellite provider Inmarsat and the British Air Accidents Investigation Branch. He didn't describe the nature of the analysis"
 
SeanD said:
British investigators are the ones who came out with the new satellite data analysis to determine the airliners did go down in the India Ocean. How they did it? My guess is that is classified information and they likely wont go into detail about it. They need more definitive proof IMO.

"described as unprecedented analysis of satellite data sent by the plane by British satellite provider Inmarsat and the British Air Accidents Investigation Branch. He didn't describe the nature of the analysis"
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