Vector4Food
This job would be easier without all the airplanes
Mentioned this early on in the thread, way back... didn't know it was public information though, but I guess I never looked.
Malaysia Airlines 777 missing
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Vector4Food
This job would be easier without all the airplanes
If CNN knows anything about you, you're a suspect.
Murdoughnut
Well sized member
Fire spreading in the avionics bay.
Mentioned this early on in the thread, way back... didn't know it was public information though, but I guess I never looked.
I haven't read the whole thread, but that image above is a different radar system, PAVE PAWS - that is more similar in nature to a conventional radar other than being a phased array radar than ROTHR which as mentioned uses HF energy.
Vector4Food
This job would be easier without all the airplanes
So many things I assume are classified...
Better safe than sorry when it comes to a career though!
NiallG
Well-Known Member
Read a report yesterday on a mid air collision in Brazil and I quote: "While both planes were equipped with TCAS, it was later determined that the Embraer's ttransponder had ceased operating almost an hour earlier, at 16:02, rendering both planes unable to automatically detect each other." (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gol_Transportes_Aéreos_Flight_1907) - hope this helps
jgheggie
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MikeOH58
Well-Known Member
Cray Cray question. There is absolutely no way investigators know what time ACARS was taken off line right? All they know is it didn't check in for it's next scheduled update. So why do they keep saying ACARS went offline at a different time then transponder? How can they possibly speculate this. To me, it seems very plausible both systems went out at the same time. Thoughts?
alaskadrifter
Landing gear operator
I'm curious how hard would it be to sabotage the pressurization system? At 30,000 plus feet time of useful consciousness during a rapid decompression is measured in seconds. Practically the whole plane could be dispatched while keeping them in their seats (because of the oxygen masks).
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SpiceWeasel
Tre Kronor
30-60 seconds at FL300.
MikeOH58
Well-Known Member
I can't understand how people keep making this assumption. The rational thing would be to crash immediately, or use the aircraft as a weapon. But once you get to the point that you commit to hijacking a pax loaded 777, who says you have to play by or will play by rational convention or thought.
A single pilot hijack and flight until flame out is a very real possibility in my mind. I see absolutely no reason to discount this idea.
wheelsup
Well-Known Member
Certainly a good point. The only thing I would say doesn't fit your theory is the methodical disabling of the reporting systems.
Simultaneous loss of ACARS and transponder seems likely, but that's neither been proven nor disproven.
ACARS last checked in at _:__ (I've seen different times reported) and was supposed to check in again 30 minutes later. The transponder went off between the two times.
MikeOH58
Well-Known Member
With the latest reports, we don't definitively know IF the ACARS and Transponder were turned off at separate times.
inigo88
Composite-lover
I thought it was PAVE PAWS (UHF) first as well, but upon closer inspection it's actually the USAF OTH-B system, with sites in Maine and California/Oregon. It was apparently put into cold storage after the fall of the Soviet union. The US Navy runs ROTHR.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Over-the-horizon_radar#USAF
Meh, wikipedia and google maps makes everyone a defense industry analyst.
It's been about 10 days and no-one has come forward claiming responsibility nor establishing motives with the flight crew. I think the longer this goes on, the more its looking like an accident.
An event of some kind breached the hull in the vicinity of the flight deck, injuring the pilots, depressurizing the aircraft and knocking out most of the avionics. The CA & FO were unable to immediately put on supplemental oxygen while fighting for control of the aircraft as it climbed to FL 450 and then descended to FL 250 (or whatever), before settling somewhere in the flight levels. If still alive, the CA & FO were unconscious. Other passengers would lose consciousness when their chemical oxygen generators ceased operation, or as they panicked and left their seats. Cabin crewmembers who grabbed portable oxygen bottles were also facing loss of consciousness as their supplies were exhausted. They may never have even attempted to access the flight deck physically, assuming that the pilots had regained (or were regaining) control. Calls on the interphone went unanswered.
The aircraft was now unpiloted and essentially NORDO, with the autopilot disengaged and power set wherever it happened to be. The heading was wherever the aircraft rolled out and "stabilized." It gradually climbed and descended with whatever stability is inherent in the B777 airframe at that power setting, along the southwesterly Inmarsat arc, beyond radar & radio contact, over open ocean, until fuel was exhausted.
Or it could be an alien abduction.
An event of some kind breached the hull in the vicinity of the flight deck, injuring the pilots, depressurizing the aircraft and knocking out most of the avionics. The CA & FO were unable to immediately put on supplemental oxygen while fighting for control of the aircraft as it climbed to FL 450 and then descended to FL 250 (or whatever), before settling somewhere in the flight levels. If still alive, the CA & FO were unconscious. Other passengers would lose consciousness when their chemical oxygen generators ceased operation, or as they panicked and left their seats. Cabin crewmembers who grabbed portable oxygen bottles were also facing loss of consciousness as their supplies were exhausted. They may never have even attempted to access the flight deck physically, assuming that the pilots had regained (or were regaining) control. Calls on the interphone went unanswered.
The aircraft was now unpiloted and essentially NORDO, with the autopilot disengaged and power set wherever it happened to be. The heading was wherever the aircraft rolled out and "stabilized." It gradually climbed and descended with whatever stability is inherent in the B777 airframe at that power setting, along the southwesterly Inmarsat arc, beyond radar & radio contact, over open ocean, until fuel was exhausted.
Or it could be an alien abduction.
On one of the social media pages I follow, someone is crowing about "well, the Israelis think..."
So I asked "all of them? Really? From the Bar Rafeli sunbathing on the beach in Tel Aviv to the settler in a Kibbutz, they're all running up some conspiracy?"
I'm gojng to get banned.
So I asked "all of them? Really? From the Bar Rafeli sunbathing on the beach in Tel Aviv to the settler in a Kibbutz, they're all running up some conspiracy?"
I'm gojng to get banned.