Malaysia Airlines 777 missing

I've watched a lot of coverage of this on CNN and FOX. CNN has overcovered it to the point of reaching for straws. As much as I usually disdain FOX News, their coverage has been much more about education than speculation.
 
BeReal said:
I've watched a lot of coverage of this on CNN and FOX. CNN has overcovered it to the point of reaching for straws. As much as I usually disdain FOX News, their coverage has been much more about education than speculation.
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I've given up on CNN. Between those two Brits (nothing against Brits in general, just those two morons), the over-the-top speculation, and their choices of experts (granted some are), i've had it. BBC is pretty good and only 5 channels away.
 
MikeD said:
That's what I mean. Extreme measures would need to be "implemented", knee-jerk style, to somehow try and prevent this possibility so the flying public "feels safe".

We saw the same window dressing immediately post-9/11, which set the stage for the scared-of-our-shadow nation we have now for ourselves.
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MikeD said:
The Pandora's box potential would likely include things we haven't even thought of yet......
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I wish I could find it, but there's that old cartoon of a pilot and a dog....a Belgian Malinois would do the trick.
 
Whoever suspended Shane Williams, thank you. Long overdue, especially on a message thread like this involving the apparent loss of 239 passengers and crew.

There is much about aviation that I don't know, and it is on boards like this that I learn, and hopefully become a better pilot and member of the community. I hope that I do that in a humble and respectful fashion.

Shane, you did not. If you prove to the moderators of this board that you've changed, you'll be welcomed back. In the meantime read, watch, observe and learn.
 
deadstick said:
I wish I could find it, but there's that old cartoon of a pilot and a dog....a Belgian Malinois would do the trick.
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I think you're referring to the joke about the pilot and the dog. The pilot is there to monitor the plane's performance, and the dog is there to make sure the pilot doesn't do anything.
 
tomokc said:
I think you're referring to the joke about the pilot and the dog. The pilot is there to monitor the plane's performance, and the dog is there to make sure the pilot doesn't do anything.
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That's the one. Now I'm thinking it was Bob Stevens was the artist. I have to go look.
 
tomokc said:
Whoever suspended Shane Williams, thank you. Long overdue, especially on a message thread like this involving the apparent loss of 239 passengers and crew.

There is much about aviation that I don't know, and it is on boards like this that I learn, and hopefully become a better pilot and member of the community. I hope that I do that in a humble and respectful fashion.

Shane, you did not. If you prove to the moderators of this board that you've changed, you'll be welcomed back. In the meantime read, watch, observe and learn.
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Agreed. Like him, I too am refraining from serious speculation as we have virtually nothing solid to go off of, however, calling other members "idiots" for discussing possible scenarios that could turn out to be correct for all we know? That's crossing the line. "ATC" stuff aside.
 
Good morning, all. Been awhile since I stopped by. Thought I'd see what y'all had to say about MAS370, so I've been perusing the last three or so pages of the thread.

When asked my opinion (which doesn't count for a whole heck of a lot), I tell people we won't know for sure until the wreckage is found and the DFDR and CVR are recovered. I also tell them how to differentiate between all those "experts" they see on T.V. or read in the comments section of news stories: The phoney "experts" are the ones telling you what happened; the real experts are the guys saying there's not enough information to speculate (although that does seem that's changing the past 24 hours with the latest release of information from ground sources and investigators).

Have a quick, probably stupid question, so please be kind: I've noticed that these incidents of pilot suicide (Egypt Air 990, SilkAir 185) all seem to have one thing in common — they've occurred in aircraft without a flight engineer, i.e., without a third person in the cockpit. The only other high-profile attempt, FedEx 705, was thwarted partly because there was a third crew member in the cockpit. I thought it was a really bad idea when the airlines pressured manufacturers to automate the flight engineer function out of existence in the name of cost savings, and I seem to recall ALPA and others were against eliminating the third position for a variety of reasons.

Am I all wet on this one?
 
RDoug said:
Good morning, all. Been awhile since I stopped by. Thought I'd see what y'all had to say about MAS370, so I've been perusing the last three or so pages of the thread.

When asked my opinion (which doesn't count for a whole heck of a lot), I tell people we won't know for sure until the wreckage is found and the DFDR and CVR are recovered. I also tell them how to differentiate between all those "experts" they see on T.V. or read in the comments section of news stories: The phoney "experts" are the ones telling you what happened; the real experts are the guys saying there's not enough information to speculate (although that does seem that's changing the past 24 hours with the latest release of information from ground sources and investigators).

Have a quick, probably stupid question, so please be kind: I've noticed that these incidents of pilot suicide (Egypt Air 990, SilkAir 185) all seem to have one thing in common — they've occurred in aircraft without a flight engineer, i.e., without a third person in the cockpit. The only other high-profile attempt, FedEx 705, was thwarted partly because there was a third crew member in the cockpit. I thought it was a really bad idea when the airlines pressured manufacturers to automate the flight engineer function out of existence in the name of cost savings, and I seem to recall ALPA and others were against eliminating the third position for a variety of reasons.

Am I all wet on this one?
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It's all about risk management. Or whatever buzzword the insurance companies use now. If this happens 0.1% of the time, the cost of one airplane far is minimal compared to consistently operating with 3 people
 
So with how far the possible debris field would have spread by now, what are the chances of even finding it of it has crashed?

If it did, I doubt it will ever be found. The only hope now is to listen for the pinging of the CVR/FDR.
 
mshunter said:
So with how far the possible debris field would have spread by now, what are the chances of even finding it of it has crashed?

If it did, I doubt it will ever be found. The only hope now is to listen for the pinging of the CVR/FDR.
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Unless they made a perfect ditching in the middle of the Indian Ocean (highly unlikely ) then a 777 crash debris will eventually turn up somewhere...

If it ditched perfectly, and sank without ANYONE opening a door or throwing out a life raft or something then maybe it would be lost forever.

The odds of that happening to me are far higher than someone stealing it and hiding it.
 
sweeps said:
I would think that would be tough to do in the Indian Ocean versus the calm Hudson River, but definitely in the realm of possibility, especially considering that anything could have happened at this point.
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Absolutely agree... wasn't there an old Boeing stratoliner that ditched in the pacific at least somewhat intact?
 
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