FAA Hiring Process Revamped

spades9048 said:
Transferring isn't as easy as you think. I wouldn't count on it being a year or two. Also, while you're in training don't say anything. You don't want to be the guy that always talks about leaving before he even gets checked out. Checking out is your only priority.
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Thanks for the perspective. You're honestly the first to say that to me, the guys at SFO and ZOA I've talked to who started elsewhere all made it sound pretty quick. I think the longest I heard was 2 years, but maybe they just got very lucky.
 
ChasenSFO said:
Thanks for the perspective. You're honestly the first to say that to me, the guys at SFO and ZOA I've talked to who started elsewhere all made it sound pretty quick. I think the longest I heard was 2 years, but maybe they just got very lucky.
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It can be that quick, but its not something I'd bet my life on. Especially in a hard to staff facility. SFO might also be a pipe dream just yet because busy terminal facilities (centers have the training ability TRACONs and towers don't) are capped on new hires from time to time. Either way its bad etiquette to announce you can't wait to leave. Queeno, ATCretired2003 or however else I'm mangling their usernames and more can tell you what its like at the end of the career path. These guys retired in their 50's. @queeno PROBABLY isn't a full time resident of his local mental hospital (I mean near as I can tell he bought a MOPAR product so...)

There is something to be said for making the sacrifice of location at an early age so you can screw off and retire while you can still self locomote.

Off topic, anyone here going to CFS?
 
quote="N90-EWR, post: 2242380, member: 27602"]A supervisor on VATSIM? LMAO.... did he at least get check out over there?[/quote]

not sure i retired about 9 months later and they were all still in training but i belive the wash out rate for the CTI, VFR, OTS at C90 in the 2006 to 2009 time was 85 to 90 %. one of the stupidest things the FFA ever did was sending those kids there.
 
spades9048 said:
That's embarrassing. His nickname would be VATSIM within the hour and a strip printed by the following day in my area.
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his was " GAMEBOY " and man did that kid catch a lot of crap!!!!!

OH and for Genot i retired at the tender age of 49...............................OH YEA its good to be the King !!!!!!! Also I was the one driving management crazy not the other way around.
 
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Word is they have received over 20,000 applications. Good luck everybody, its just a crapshoot at this point. Almost sorry I invested the time and energy to get the CTI degree the FAA made it seem like I needed to get this job. The fact that they pretty much encouraged high school kids to go to college for this, and then pull the rug out from under them after some kids went 10's of thousands of dollars in debt, should be criminal. I have absolutely no problem with them deciding to change the hiring process, but I do have a problem with them playing games with high school kids who didn't know any better and were just chasing something they were interested in.

Wonder if they are really going to select 10k plus people to take the ATSAT, or if the BQ and its 'How many sports teams did you play on in high school' is going to be able to chop 75% of the applicants.
 
nabbyfan said:
Wonder if they are really going to select 10k plus people to take the ATSAT, or if the BQ and its 'How many sports teams did you play on in high school' is going to be able to chop 75% of the applicants.
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LOL yeah, I was wondering about that. What, do they want me to bring in my yearbook to prove I played basketball and football like 5 years ago? So random...
 
I see what you're getting at, but let's say 20,000 people really did apply. How many of those 20,000 actually met the requirements? I guarantee people who didn't meet the work experience mins and people that lied about stuff and will get caught applied. After they are filtered out, how many will actually be invited to take the AT-SAT? How many of those invited will actually show up? How many of those who take the test will score well qualified? How many of the WQs are actually willing to play the waiting game and go thru screening for OKC if they get called? How many will fail? Of those who pass, how many will actually go to OKC, not wash out, and be willing to move and work at some random facility? Of those, how many will washout before they checkout? Finally, how many more will have to be called in at that point to start the process after all those who fall short of a checkout at a facility?

Don't let the numbers get to you. Just do your best to get as high a score as possible and keep your options open. If one were to get a 96%, I wonder how many thousands and thousands would be below them. A wise teacher once taught me things are never as good or as bad as they seem in life, and thus far I find that to be true.
 
back in the 80 s the numbers we were given was that for every 10000 that applied for ATC only 1000 were offered a job and out of those 1000 only about 450 would make it all the way through training. its gonna take a while to hire and train 9000 controller in the next 10 years , this is just the begining.
 
queeno said:
back in the 80 s the numbers we were given was that for every 10000 that applied for ATC only 1000 were offered a job and out of those 1000 only about 450 would make it all the way through training. its gonna take a while to hire and train 9000 controller in the next 10 years , this is just the begining.
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The way they check people out at my facility its only going to take 9000 to apply to replace 9000 controllers.

Sad...

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BWER said:
The way they check people out at my facility its only going to take 9000 to apply to replace 9000 controllers.

Sad...

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Oh i agree the FFA lowered the standard with " train to succeed" remember that piece of crap? nothing like training someone for over a year on a sector that most of us checked out on in 6 to 8 weeks when it was 3 times as busy.
 
queeno said:
Oh i agree the FFA lowered the standard with " train to succeed" remember that piece of crap? nothing like training someone for over a year on a sector that most of us checked out on in 6 to 8 weeks when it was 3 times as busy.
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Yup..."train to succeed" was indeed a huge pile of BS. There was one case where a trainee stayed on training for close to 4 years in the ISP area (the slowest and easiest area here), and eventually made CPC.

BTW Congrats on retiring at 49. My original plan was to retire at 48, but life events forced me to stay past that.
 
so that biographical quiz....anybody know anything about that or how it's graded? Seemed kinda silly to me.
 
TWP said:
so that biographical quiz....anybody know anything about that or how it's graded? Seemed kinda silly to me.
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They track how fast you answered. The longer you took, the worse off you are.

All kidding aside, nobody will know until Friday at the earliest.
 
queeno said:
Oh i agree the FFA lowered the standard with " train to succeed" remember that piece of crap? nothing like training someone for over a year on a sector that most of us checked out on in 6 to 8 weeks when it was 3 times as busy.
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We have an entire crew of folks that should not have gotten checked out. Had one recently drive an a\c through an active restricted area and didnt give two craps about it. Got out to fill out the atsap and back to work.

I have yet learned how to use atsap...hope it stays that way.

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genot said:
It can be that quick, but its not something I'd bet my life on. Especially in a hard to staff facility. SFO might also be a pipe dream just yet because busy terminal facilities (centers have the training ability TRACONs and towers don't) are capped on new hires from time to time. Either way its bad etiquette to announce you can't wait to leave. Queeno, ATCretired2003 or however else I'm mangling their usernames and more can tell you what its like at the end of the career path. These guys retired in their 50's. @queeno PROBABLY isn't a full time resident of his local mental hospital (I mean near as I can tell he bought a MOPAR product so...)

There is something to be said for making the sacrifice of location at an early age so you can screw off and retire while you can still self locomote.

Off topic, anyone here going to CFS?
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As far as the very first place people are likely to be sent, is it often the middle of nowhere, or just not the nice shiny fancy places like people would prefer? I don't know If I could stand living in North Dakota lol!
 
TWP said:
As far as the very first place people are likely to be sent, is it often the middle of nowhere, or just not the nice shiny fancy places like people would prefer? I don't know If I could stand living in North Dakota lol!
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Honestly I could care less where I go initially... I've been trying to get in since 2009. I'm 30 now so I am hoping for a miracle and although it wouldn't be ideal I'd take any location in a heartbeat.
 
BWER said:
I have yet learned how to use atsap...hope it stays that way.
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I used it to great effect during the "pilots are suicidal idiots" phase about visual sep. Knowing full well pilots don't know (nor are they required to know per the AIM or pilot controller glossary) the specific language the .65 requires, I applied the rule to the letter. Low and behold I find myself in a situation where the CL30 pilot through no fault of his own didn't know the magic words. His 60 second rant on my third try after carefully explaining HQ's requirements took him through the LOC. I got a call from NATCA national two days after submitting that. ATSAP certainly has a use, but not for the reasons you describe. Weaksticks using it as a crutch is infuriating.
 
BWER said:
We have an entire crew of folks that should not have gotten checked out. Had one recently drive an a\c through an active restricted area and didnt give two craps about it. Got out to fill out the atsap and back to work.

I have yet learned how to use atsap...hope it stays that way.

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Yea i hear you , dont even get me started on that one. The funny thing is that people that washed out in the early to mid 80s were 10 times better controllers than most of the turds that checked out during " train to succeed". As for ATSAP it was used quite often at C90, our airspace was one big operational deviation!!!
 
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