Desert Jet-PSP

Derg said:
Seriously, again, not knowing what the evidence actually, is, but it looks like you fired the first shots with your allegations.

Hell, I'd "come at you" too! :)

What, in their response, is non-factual?

Remember, I don't know you or Desert Jet. Convince me that they're full of poop in their reply.
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My "allegations" were more opinion based. My information is not for public boards, hence why I have not posted any direct information, per the board rules. I deny nothing of what she posted because I did write that letter after being terminated with undue cause IMHO. She did a full background check pre hire and still moved forward. She is referring to a "family member" of mine who made a anonymous phone call to her office putting my character in question. She STILL hired me and I started training. As far as her allegations of co workers "seeing" things, I have no idea. I was in the office with her and the staff or the hotel all weekend. She then was professional enough to call me on the phone and terminate me. So she got that letter because of wrongful termination over me being "slandered" and her playing into it, without any further discussion.

Derek
 
Thanks.

Again my only interest is largely "passing curiosity" so don't misinterpret my participation in the thread as acting as or offering to be a mediator.

Did you pursue legal advice prior to the letter?
 
I understand you have a non biased view to this topic. For those reasons I will not divulge anymore information on this topic.

Derek
 
Wow....if I was DJs attorney, I would eat you alive with all the information that was posted here. Stuff like this needs to be on the low....
 
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Also, the (redacted)-head factor is strong with this thread.
 
I'm just going to throw in my .02$ for everyones benefit. I had a miserable time at my last job. It was honestly one of the worst experiences I've ever had to go through in my flying career. After a really great experience at a 135 operation at APC. I had started my last flying job for an MCC based operator, super excited to start flying the Citation X, to prove myself to the captains and to make my way through the merit based upgrade system, which to me seemed like a great deal. It would reward my work ethic. I would not have to wait for my number to come up. I would "get noticed" and be rewarded like I was when I was based at APC.

Well as many of the people here at JC know things did not work out so well. My first rotation I got a call from the friend who had helped me get hired at the MCC based operation and he asked who I was paired with, who I would be flying with for 8 days. I told him, JT was the name on the email. He said "•, that is no good - that guy shouldn't be allowed to fly with new hires." I just ignored it hoping that I could make the best of things. I had flown with many horrible captains before. I can handle it.

Well that bad omen was just the start and by the end of my second year I had all but given up on any kind of career progression. Whatever the reason I had missed my chance to become part of the good old boys club. I knew I had been slandered by JT and a few other captains and at this operation the captains word is gold. There were still few flying jobs and I did not have anywhere to go. I felt like a rat in a cage. So I fought back. I called the good old boys club out.

The good old boys club had a few cool members but those guys were the exception to the rule. We had this internal message board and • got pretty ugly. I was publicly outed and the good old boys club hiding behind mommys skirt of anonymity threw some pretty hefty stones. To make a long story short that was really the end of my time at the MCC based operation. I had totally lost respect for captains at that operation. The whole message board aspect made it worse.

I had hoped to somehow recover from the tailspin that had started, at no fault of my own, during my first rotation by posting on a message board. That didn't work. Your best bet is to get another job, work hard and put it all behind you. I think what bothered me the most is that I am a much better pilot than many that I flew with at my prior job. I don't say something like that lightly. I don't like to get my ego caught up in aviation. However, I felt the negative evaluation that the good old boys club had made was totally unfair and I suspect was a judgment made out of jealousy. At the time though I started to doubt my own ability. The group mentality of a good old boys club is often illogical but I've always considered all feedback in order to become the best pilot I can. When people are unfair, it still has an affect.

None of that helped me recover from never getting to see captains pay at the MCC operation. Bottom line none of this will help Derek. I knew that 135 has this really ugly side. I also know that a lot of 135 guys take pride in how miserable they are. I watched a documentary about a fire aboard the Russian space station and the Americans pointed out that the Russians "took pride in their misery." This behavior creates a bond but to those who do not enjoy being miserable it is a terrible group to be a part of.

It isn't fair to have your career put on a shelf, to be judged by those with less ability than you posses but the only way to fix it is to BAIL. Bail ASAP. The aviation market is slowly becoming a pilots market. Don't do what I did. Don't stick with it or try to change things. Just leave. Get a good job like I did. In 3 months after I left the MCC based operator I had secured a large cabin type, was getting paid more than a captain at my last job and our typical trip involved surfing pine trees every morning and afternoon for a week.

Trust yourself. Don't look back. Shake hands say "Im sorry it didn't work out" and bail. Many people in aviation are not worth your time. Many of them hang out on internet message boards. JC seems to have a pretty cool mix of people that don't gang up on someone who posts a different opinion. Not so much in the rest of the internet Wild West. Including that other site. Once my membership ran out. I bailed. Just like I did from my last job and it felt really good. There was no value in even reading what was posted. I only had inside information on one operation and the front that is presented on the other site is just that, a front.

There is little truth to much of what is posted online and I'm sure the good old boys club would be hopping mad if they read what I still feel about them. However, I don't care. I don't want to slam JC because I think it has a cool collection of personalities. Where else can I make an old school rap reference, right after someone posts photos of typical pilot attire, running shoes and blue jeans. However, the internet is as useful for finding a job as it is a partner in life. Of course this is just my opinion. To each his (or her) own.

I know how Derek feels and I am not taking sides. My humble advice is put this all behind you. You may feel an injustice has been done, I felt that way about my last employer. However, you can't fix it and you can't protect other pilots from it. Like my man Too Short says get in where you fit in fool!

(Danger! Bad poopy rap words! NSFW)

There are two sides to every story and it is best if neither side is posted online.
 
"And when I see ya, and act like I don't know ya
I'm like missouri, cause I can show ya" - Too Short

Hahaha! Pretty much me when I see the XJ tails and black shirts at the FBO...

Best of luck Derek
 
Not quite seeing the connection but your thoughts on XO has definitely given others some prospective as you would be hard pressed to find anyone come out that they are disappointed there.
 
mikecweb said:
Not quite seeing the connection but your thoughts on XO has definitely given others some prospective as you would be hard pressed to find anyone come out that they are disappointed there.
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Thankfully there were no accusations or gang type mentality going on at JC regarding my situation. Some questioned what I had to say but as you said Mike nothing negative had been said before. At least not on JC. You can find some old threads on FI when the 2008 slaughter happened but the good old boys club is very careful about appearances. At least after squirelhunter@aol.com...

Curious how all those guys who were pushed out during our "voluntary reduction in force" felt when hiring started less than six months later. Voluntary being like prison camp voluntary.

But there was a lot of that "gang up on the guy saying something we don't like" on that other site. Some of the most disingenuous things I have ever read were posted by coworkers who had no interest in sharing a shred of truth. Those threads take a life of their own and even if you have a legitimate concern, the internet distorts everything.

I guess I could have just simply said move on it won't pay to even think about it for another second.
 
dhood84 said:
I understand you have a non biased view to this topic. For those reasons I will not divulge anymore information on this topic.

Derek
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I have some unsolicited advice for you.

The internet is the "wild west" only to a certain extent. We have the freedom to express ourselves, our opinions and all sorts of stuff, however if you knowingly make false statements in order to harm an individual, don't confuse freedom of speech with freedom from being being sued for libel.

Maybe you're 100% right, I don't know. However, if the shoe were on the other foot and I was the target of the allegations, legal counsel and I would have an absolute field day with it.

Again, I have no idea what happened apart from what you posted and what @English posted, but I just wanted to throw some food for thought out there for everyone to consider if a similar scenario spawns again.
 

Punish your phone. Beat on it harder.[/quote]
Nah, my 2 year old has done enough damage to it. Just enjoying a go home beer or three.;)
 
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