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Eagle pilots reject 'or else' offer
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Binet-Simon
Well-Known Member
I would expect to see the result of the Expressjet vote before Eagle's.Yup... Expect it to pass. Sorry expressjet. Fwiw I won't be one of the yes votes.
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BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
I would expect that. However, it will still effect the ExpressJet vote because just the knowledge that Eagle pilots are going to a get a shot at deciding on it will swing many no voters at ExpressJet to the yes column.
bronco21016
I know H.T.M.L. (How To Meet Ladies)
I'm confused why an Eagle vote might entice an XJT voter to change their mind? I just can't think of why it would influence them at all. I wouldn't be one bit surprised if the Eagle or XJT TA gets a big fat NO.
just_blaze
Well-Known Member
So no counter proposal after all? When do Eagle guys vote?
Trip7
Well-Known Member
Eagle guys have a huge carrot. 150 E175s and guaranteed attrition of at least 360 pilots a year. I would take that deal.
What do XJT pilots have? Take these concessions and we might get a deal with mechanics, might get a deal with FAs, we might get some large RJs, and the airline MIGHT survive. Oh by the way your sister carrier pilots just got $2 million in raises but they are still cheaper than you (Even though their pilots gross more with profit sharing)
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What do XJT pilots have? Take these concessions and we might get a deal with mechanics, might get a deal with FAs, we might get some large RJs, and the airline MIGHT survive. Oh by the way your sister carrier pilots just got $2 million in raises but they are still cheaper than you (Even though their pilots gross more with profit sharing)
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BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
Because if Eagle had given a firm "no" then XJT voters could say that another property said no to these wage resets going through the industry and as such they (XJT) wouldn't be the ONLY group to have said no and have to face up to the potential consequences. Now that Eagle could go either way, a potential swing voter at XJT may be less inclined to (maybe) be the only group saying no, and vote yes.
That said, Marcus is right (it kind of hurts me to say that... no offense bro
). There is no carrot at XJT.
just_blaze
Well-Known Member
An agreement has been reached. FYI.
just_blaze
Well-Known Member
Eagle
They have reached an agreement in principal, final language to be ratified. ALPA will announce details of the agreement, which is subject to language being finalized, and a voting schedule soon.
They have reached an agreement in principal, final language to be ratified. ALPA will announce details of the agreement, which is subject to language being finalized, and a voting schedule soon.
surreal1221
Well-Known Member
It's funny how an agreement is really, truly, amendable anytime the Company cries out for relief.
RPM
Well-Known Member
MEC Hotline – January 10, 2014
Today, the MEC affirmed an Agreement In Principle (AIP) giving the company contractual concessions in return for a guarantee of 60 new Embraer 175 aircraft, options for 90 more, and increased flow through opportunities. Attached to this communication is a summary of the agreement. We encourage all pilots to read this document thoroughly.
The ALPA officers and leadership are preparing further communications for the pilot group in order to ensure that everyone has a complete understanding of all the facets of this AIP. The purpose of this AIP is to allow the process of moving toward changes in our pilot contract. Before the changes actually become effective, ALPA will conduct an educational campaign and appearance events allowing all pilots to give feedback, ask questions and gain a thorough understanding. During this process, ALPA and the company must reach agreement on the contractual language. At that point, the MEC will reconvene to review and approve the language. Upon MEC approval, the language will then be made available to the pilots prior to a ratification vote.
This AIP will have varying levels of impact upon different pilots in the group and will take time to sufficiently grasp. Your leadership is committed to the education of the pilot group. Please contact your status reps with questions, concerns or feedback and we will do everything possible to respond.
The company chose to put us in this onerous position, however we will work through this together. This agreement will live or die on its merits alone. Even though there will be differing opinions, I am committed to maintaining an unbiased, objective perspective throughout the remainder of the process.
Fly safe.
Bill Sprague
MEC Chairman
Summary of the Agreement in Principle – January 10, 2014
Duration
10 years from DOS.
Compensation
Pay rate scales will be frozen until 2018.
Beginning 1/1/2018, pilots will receive 1% annual increases unless they have declined flow through. However, Captains at longevity step 18 as of the date of signing of this agreement who decline flow through will receive the 1% annual pay rate increases beginning in 2018.
Captain and First Officer turbo-prop rates will be eliminated.
Longevity step increases will continue until the first EMB-175 delivery or 3/31/2015,
whichever is later.
- Thereafter, the Captain pay scale will be capped at 12 years of service and the
First Officer pay scale will be capped at 4 years of service.
- Captains above pay step 12 and First Officers above pay step 4 on that date will
remain at their current step.
Effective with the 1st EMB-175 delivery, a pilot who declines an offer at American Airlines will cease to receive longevity step increases at the time he declines flow through, except that any captain at steps 15 through 17 when the first EMB-175 is delivered will be allowed to advance to step 18.
Effective 1/1/2014, profit sharing will be eliminated as long as it is eliminated for all other AE employees.
Enhanced Flowthrough
Beginning 9/1/2014, American Eagle will not restrict the flow of pilots to less than
30 per month.
Protected Pilots The minimum available AA class positions will be increased from
35% to 50% for pilots who were on the seniority list as of 10/11/2011.
All pilots hired after 10/11/2011 (including future hires) will have the same flow through opportunities provided by the Protected Pilot Agreement.
- The minimum available AA class positions will be 50%.
- Pilots hired after 10/11/2011 may be withheld for active
Performance/Attendance Advisories. An expedited dispute resolution
process will be available to such pilots.
Annual True-up In any year that AA hires 720 or more pilots, at least 360 will be
Effective 1/1/2015 Eagle Flowthrough Pilots.
In any year that AA hires fewer than 720 pilots, at least 50%
will be Eagle Flowthrough Pilots.
This does not release the company from the obligation to
release at least 30 pilots/month subject to the 50% calculation.
Within 30 days of mainline integration, Eagle and ALPA will meet and consider flow through enhancements.
Nothing in this proposal will compromise the Association’s position with respect to the current withholding dispute.
Sick
Accrual After 90 days but less than 5 years of service: 3.5 hours/month
Effective 1/1/2015 After 5 years of service: 4.0 hours/month
Supplemental Sick Banks will be frozen but remain available.
Effective DOS Eliminate 7 day waiting period for access to supplemental sick.
Reserve days will be paid and credited at 4 hours/day.
PTO system will be eliminated.
Vacation
Accrual After 1 year 1 week
Effective 1/1/2016 After 2 years 2 weeks
After 7 years 3 weeks
After 14 years 4 weeks
No pilot’s accrual rate will be lower than the rate he or she has on 1/1/2016.
Vacation for new hires will be pro-rated in accordance with the current Eagle Contract.
Return to the 2009 CBA vacation section except as modified above.
PTO system will be eliminated.
EMB-175 Initial Cadre
The company wants to abbreviate the training when the EMB-175s are delivered, so the initial cadre may be trained in advance and returned to their old equipment until EMB-175s are delivered.
The initial cadre training for EMB-175 pilots who are trained in the EMB-175 will return to their existing equipment type once the initial cadre training is completed.
No company jeopardy during the training to return to existing equipment and subsequent requalification training for the EMB-175.
Per Diem
Per diem will be $1.80 for the duration of the contract.
Medical
Effective 1/1/15, increase employee contribution from 30% to 31%
Effective 1/1/16, increase employee contribution to 33%
Effective 1/1/17, increase employee contribution to 35%
Retirement
Maintain Eagle 401(k) plan.
PBS
The parties’ obligations under Letter 13-04 are suspended (without retroactive effect) until delivery of the 61st EMB-175 at American Eagle Airlines.
Signing Bonus
$1500 paid to each active pilot as of the date of ratification.
Payments will be made within 30 days after DOS.
Amendment Round
Reopener of no cost items at 5 years after Date of Signing. Each party may submit up to 5 issues which will be resolved in interest arbitration if not resolved in negotiations.
Fleet Commitment
Minimum of 60 EMB-175s to be operated by pilots on the seniority list.
If AAG acquires additional EMB-175 aircraft from the manufacturer, the first 90 such aircraft delivered will be placed on the EGL operating certificate.
Today, the MEC affirmed an Agreement In Principle (AIP) giving the company contractual concessions in return for a guarantee of 60 new Embraer 175 aircraft, options for 90 more, and increased flow through opportunities. Attached to this communication is a summary of the agreement. We encourage all pilots to read this document thoroughly.
The ALPA officers and leadership are preparing further communications for the pilot group in order to ensure that everyone has a complete understanding of all the facets of this AIP. The purpose of this AIP is to allow the process of moving toward changes in our pilot contract. Before the changes actually become effective, ALPA will conduct an educational campaign and appearance events allowing all pilots to give feedback, ask questions and gain a thorough understanding. During this process, ALPA and the company must reach agreement on the contractual language. At that point, the MEC will reconvene to review and approve the language. Upon MEC approval, the language will then be made available to the pilots prior to a ratification vote.
This AIP will have varying levels of impact upon different pilots in the group and will take time to sufficiently grasp. Your leadership is committed to the education of the pilot group. Please contact your status reps with questions, concerns or feedback and we will do everything possible to respond.
The company chose to put us in this onerous position, however we will work through this together. This agreement will live or die on its merits alone. Even though there will be differing opinions, I am committed to maintaining an unbiased, objective perspective throughout the remainder of the process.
Fly safe.
Bill Sprague
MEC Chairman
Summary of the Agreement in Principle – January 10, 2014
Duration
10 years from DOS.
Compensation
Pay rate scales will be frozen until 2018.
Beginning 1/1/2018, pilots will receive 1% annual increases unless they have declined flow through. However, Captains at longevity step 18 as of the date of signing of this agreement who decline flow through will receive the 1% annual pay rate increases beginning in 2018.
Captain and First Officer turbo-prop rates will be eliminated.
Longevity step increases will continue until the first EMB-175 delivery or 3/31/2015,
whichever is later.
- Thereafter, the Captain pay scale will be capped at 12 years of service and the
First Officer pay scale will be capped at 4 years of service.
- Captains above pay step 12 and First Officers above pay step 4 on that date will
remain at their current step.
Effective with the 1st EMB-175 delivery, a pilot who declines an offer at American Airlines will cease to receive longevity step increases at the time he declines flow through, except that any captain at steps 15 through 17 when the first EMB-175 is delivered will be allowed to advance to step 18.
Effective 1/1/2014, profit sharing will be eliminated as long as it is eliminated for all other AE employees.
Enhanced Flowthrough
Beginning 9/1/2014, American Eagle will not restrict the flow of pilots to less than
30 per month.
Protected Pilots The minimum available AA class positions will be increased from
35% to 50% for pilots who were on the seniority list as of 10/11/2011.
All pilots hired after 10/11/2011 (including future hires) will have the same flow through opportunities provided by the Protected Pilot Agreement.
- The minimum available AA class positions will be 50%.
- Pilots hired after 10/11/2011 may be withheld for active
Performance/Attendance Advisories. An expedited dispute resolution
process will be available to such pilots.
Annual True-up In any year that AA hires 720 or more pilots, at least 360 will be
Effective 1/1/2015 Eagle Flowthrough Pilots.
In any year that AA hires fewer than 720 pilots, at least 50%
will be Eagle Flowthrough Pilots.
This does not release the company from the obligation to
release at least 30 pilots/month subject to the 50% calculation.
Within 30 days of mainline integration, Eagle and ALPA will meet and consider flow through enhancements.
Nothing in this proposal will compromise the Association’s position with respect to the current withholding dispute.
Sick
Accrual After 90 days but less than 5 years of service: 3.5 hours/month
Effective 1/1/2015 After 5 years of service: 4.0 hours/month
Supplemental Sick Banks will be frozen but remain available.
Effective DOS Eliminate 7 day waiting period for access to supplemental sick.
Reserve days will be paid and credited at 4 hours/day.
PTO system will be eliminated.
Vacation
Accrual After 1 year 1 week
Effective 1/1/2016 After 2 years 2 weeks
After 7 years 3 weeks
After 14 years 4 weeks
No pilot’s accrual rate will be lower than the rate he or she has on 1/1/2016.
Vacation for new hires will be pro-rated in accordance with the current Eagle Contract.
Return to the 2009 CBA vacation section except as modified above.
PTO system will be eliminated.
EMB-175 Initial Cadre
The company wants to abbreviate the training when the EMB-175s are delivered, so the initial cadre may be trained in advance and returned to their old equipment until EMB-175s are delivered.
The initial cadre training for EMB-175 pilots who are trained in the EMB-175 will return to their existing equipment type once the initial cadre training is completed.
No company jeopardy during the training to return to existing equipment and subsequent requalification training for the EMB-175.
Per Diem
Per diem will be $1.80 for the duration of the contract.
Medical
Effective 1/1/15, increase employee contribution from 30% to 31%
Effective 1/1/16, increase employee contribution to 33%
Effective 1/1/17, increase employee contribution to 35%
Retirement
Maintain Eagle 401(k) plan.
PBS
The parties’ obligations under Letter 13-04 are suspended (without retroactive effect) until delivery of the 61st EMB-175 at American Eagle Airlines.
Signing Bonus
$1500 paid to each active pilot as of the date of ratification.
Payments will be made within 30 days after DOS.
Amendment Round
Reopener of no cost items at 5 years after Date of Signing. Each party may submit up to 5 issues which will be resolved in interest arbitration if not resolved in negotiations.
Fleet Commitment
Minimum of 60 EMB-175s to be operated by pilots on the seniority list.
If AAG acquires additional EMB-175 aircraft from the manufacturer, the first 90 such aircraft delivered will be placed on the EGL operating certificate.
Firebird2XC
Well-Known Member
I spoke to an XJet crew last night- reportedly 50% of eligible voters cast ballots on the first day. If that's true, and the perception that nobody is that eager to vote 'yes' for a bad deal, that says a lot.
And Eagle is far from done. We still have to see final language, and vote on it. I'm very concerned about how this recreates the required time at a regional to work at a mainline- while lowering wages for those who will do it in the future. They've lined it with a few goodies, but I don't think kneecapping ourselves down the road helps anybody.
just_blaze
Well-Known Member
Was this agreement an effect of a counter proposal or is it pretty much what company offered late December?
Firebird2XC
Well-Known Member
This is supposed to be a product of the counter proposal, and at first blush, appears to have *some* improvements in it- without removing a few of the things that made it so unpalatable in the first place.
I'm going to sit down and dissect it after I've slept. I'll post a thread with my analysis tomorrow.
Firebird2XC
Well-Known Member
I like how the FAs produced a press release applauding the pilot group for 'saving the airline'. I don't think they realize they just contributed to the fear mongering.
I don't really see this passing- while they've definitely sweetened the deal, the mid- to long-term costs are considerable. Sure, it'll get us a round of jets and a leg up to flow, but it'll kneecap everybody that signs on from here onward. As the low end of the industry is the bottom of the boat rising in the proverbial tide, I'm not sure we can afford to do this. It'll only encourage them to try to further erode scope from mainline in a few years.
The pilot group is PISSED. I don't think I've ever seen Eagle pilots this riled up.
SpiceWeasel
Tre Kronor
So, now that the Eagle MEC has passed the latest "AIP" to the pilot group, have the Eagle pilots said "yes"? Or is this different?
Seems like this passes your sniff test of "this is what the pilots want" since the MEC sent it out.
Firebird2XC
Well-Known Member
Forest for the trees. The AIP passed by a narrow margin. It'll never get past the main pilot group.
The MEC met the company, negotiated, and this was the best the company would give. So now they look to us for the Go/ No Go. You can't put it on the MEC for giving us a call to make when they think no more can be done before that.
From the initial reaction I'm hearing on the line, the crewroom, and various message boards, this just made the pilot group angrier, and will likely fail.
What you fail to divine is that while the previous MEC administration was inclined to try to steer the pilot group, the current Chair and Council are taking their cues from the pilot group- they remember where they come from, and if the company actually makes good on the threat we all go down.
You can split hairs all you want, but the final point is that the company's actions have only succeeded in galvanizing the Eagle pilot group.
It doesn't matter if it's the tip of the spear or the angry hordes that swat it down- it's going down.
Eagle pilots are finally unified.
And we're pissed.
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amorris311
Well-Known Member
Have they sent it to the pilot group. Seems like they sent bullet points. I personally hate bullet points since they don't tell the truth. Final language is final language. Just my 65 cents.