Roger Roger
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With you on that one.
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Pilot Fighter
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I'm guessing damage history.
PF,
On an unrelated note, were you around to see the Cessna T-47 at P'Cola for NFO training?
Sad end to those things..........
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I have had it thrown at me in the sim several times, never has it rolled on me. Maybe the Lear is different?
Cessna414JJB
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So if I have this right, it was a religious act of terrorism. Or maybe the front fell off.
Front fell off. TOTALLY!
Pilot Fighter
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Yeah, -86 had them when I went through.
I can't remember if the fire preceded and was a factor in the transition to T-39's. Maybe not, as I don't think the fire was at Pensacola.
My father was an -86 instructor when they were still in Glynco. I was hoping to instruct before I was grounded and shipped off to Supply School.
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Roger Roger
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I've read that report and it's a good cautionary tale of why things need to be done right when you're talking structural repairs on old, tired aircraft.
Cessna414JJB
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Can we settle on: "The Front Fell Off" ?
dustoff17
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I can tell you the difference between the sim vs actual in these situations could easily be compared with the difference between a sling shot and a catapult!
I've never experienced it but have seen live coverage of actual in-test, pre-certification testing. [I'll try to find the video in my collection]
The pilots KNEW it was coming, induced it themselves, and still lost several THOUSAND feet (approaching two digits worth) before they recovered. After about 5 of these in a row, the crew was able to deploy and maintain heading/altitude/control.
I can easily see how this emergency would be a handful!
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Totally different scenario. I can refer to the fire tanker C-130 that snapped a wing off while doing a drop. This is a Citation...
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Well, Lear had to certify the aircraft by doing it in real life, and if the airplane rolled upside down and lost several thousand feet, I can tell you with a large amount of confidence that the plane would probably not be certified in that configuration.
I would seriously love to see the video though it sounds very interesting.
Houston
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Citations have indestructible wings?
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Well they certainly don't have a history of which I'm aware of shedding wingy-parts. That said, this was a pretty old one, so maybe it's the tip of the iceberg?
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No, but it isn't pushing 80 years old, experimental, and running engines to which it wasn't designed for, nor a seaplane put through the stresses of thousands of water landings and abuse. Oh and is there a previous case of a business jet randomly shedding a wing?
Houston
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You're right. One can only speculate until more information is available.
Houston
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Everything has a breaking point.
Avalon781ML
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I talked with a Cessna rep about inadvertent TR deployments during flight. He told me "if" it were to happen (which it hasn't yet... the worst being an unlock light in cruise so far) that it was very possible for the aircraft to depart controlled flight. It was just a thought... old airplane tied in with a high G loading event could rip darn near anything off...
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